----- Original Message ---- From: Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 5/22/07, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > PS: Yes, of course, there are passionate believers in the development > > of particular libraries. Are there enough to make a viable community > > for *any* of the libraries on their own? Or enough that care about > > the Commons ecosystem as a whole to satisfy Apache's notions of > > "community"? It is not clear to me (any longer) that a "commons" type > > environment fits Apache culture (as it is currently being discussed) > > at all. > > You're right, it probably doesn't. Towards that end, we should encourage > Commons components with robust communities to apply for top-level > status, so that they can report directly to the Board and have their > own mailing lists. The "one list" rule is a great equalizer and should > help keep the Commons from becoming another Jakarta.
Huh? Commons has one mailing list. Each of its components are not isolated islands suitable for TLP, but part of the shared commons identity. They are not Jakarta style subprojects. Note that there are cliques within commons, some people care about one set of components, other people care about another set of components. Thats OK. We can all commit, we can all vote, we can all comment on the mailing list. This approach of commons is different to the rest of the ASF, but it does work (and is probably the only way to support small codebases within the ASF. I also believe it is sufficiently different to how the other projects in Jakarta have been run to make merging not necessarily smooth. In summary: a) I believe the status quo is not viable b) I believe that merging commons into Jakarta merges two mismatched groups c) I believe that commons is big enough and strong enough to be a TLP So, I support Apache Commons TLP - Just as Tomcat grew up and left the Jakarta brand name, so should Commons. But we should assert our right for that to be Java only - we really did get the name first, and the commons community (one-list, one-pmc) is fundamentally tied to Java. Stephen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
