Hi all, Since my name has come up in the discussion, I wanted to add a short note from my side.
I appreciate the kind words about my contributions. At the same time, those contributions were only possible because of the openness of the current Fluss community and the support I received from existing PPMC members and committers. My experience has been that technical discussions and reviews happen openly, and that contributors from outside are welcomed and helped to become productive. I have personally benefited from that process. I also think it is useful for the project to make expectations around committer and PMC membership explicit, and I believe the Fluss community is moving in the right direction here, and I trust the community to continue growing contributors into broader project responsibility. I’m happy to continue contributing to Apache Fluss in whatever way is useful to the community. -- Anton вт, 26 мая 2026 г. в 13:50, Jark Wu <[email protected]>: > > Hi Justin, > > Thank you for raising the PMC selection questions. We truly appreciate > the IPMC's careful review, and we are happy to provide more clarity on > the PMC selection process to help with the assessment. > > The PPMC has aligned on a clear and consistent set of criteria for > selecting new PPMC members, applied without bias to all candidates: > > - The bar for becoming a committer is intentionally kept fairly low to > encourage broad participation and onboarding of new contributors. > - The bar for PPMC membership is set fairly high, reflecting the > additional responsibility of guiding project direction, mentoring, and > stewarding community health, and long-term involvement. > > This criteria was discussed in the private mailing list [1], and the > qualities are outlined in our community guidelines [2]. > > For example, Mehul became a Fluss committer in July 2025 and was > proposed for PPMC membership in February 2026. During those seven > months, he was not only highly active in core design and code review, > but also contributed significantly to community growth by organizing > community calls, presenting talks, and attracting new contributors. > These are the qualities we look for in new PPMC members. > > Regarding Anton: we fully recognize Anton's valuable contributions and > agree that he has already demonstrated many of the qualities we seek > in a PPMC member. However, Anton was only recently invited to become a > committer this month. So we did not rush to include him in this > initial PMC list. We maintain a strong pipeline of talented and active > committers, several of whom are currently under observation for future > PPMC nominations. Notably, most of our new committers come from > non-Alibaba companies, which contributes to greater diversity in the > future composition of the PMC. > > I agree that some committers have been more active recently than > certain proposed PPMC members. We believe this is a natural dynamic. > With the exception of Mehul, who is the only new PPMC member joined > during incubation, all other proposed PMC members are initial PPMC > members. Their contributions were thoroughly evaluated when Fluss > entered the Apache Incubator. While some may be less visible in > day-to-day coding or reviewing activities, they remain actively > engaged behind the scenes, providing strategic guidance and critical > support for the project's growth. Therefore, we have included them in > the proposed PMC list based on their sustained commitment and > historical impact. I think this also follows the "merit never expires" > of The Apache Way[3]. > > The PPMC does not and will not nominate individuals based on seniority > or title within a company. From the committers and PPMC members who > joined during the incubation phase, you can see we apply consistent > evaluation criteria. Everyone nominated has made solid contributions > to the project. > > Thank you again for your time and for helping ensure a thoughtful > graduation process for Fluss. I hope this addresses your concerns > regarding the PMC selection. > > Kind regards, > Jark > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/rn7vkhm3sktg2jgsd8l2j4yn9y9dvbc5 > [2] https://fluss.apache.org/community/become-a-committer/ > [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/ > > On Tue, 26 May 2026 at 17:08, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I want to make a general point about PMC membership criteria that I think > > is relevant to this discussion. > > > > Seniority or title within a company is not a basis for membership in the > > PMC at the ASF. PMC membership should reflect sustained community > > engagement and a willingness to take on governance responsibilities, not > > organisational hierarchy. > > > > I would ask the PPMC to confirm that all proposed PMC members have been > > selected on this basis. > > > > Kind Regards, > > Justin > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
