Hi Justin,

Regarding vendor neutrality, here is a more detailed breakdown of the
affiliations among all 14 proposed PMC members: 7 are affiliated with
Alibaba Cloud and Ververica. Notably, all seven originated from the
initial Fluss development team [1]. In contrast, the majority of newly
added committers and the additional PMC member [2] are not from
Alibaba Group
-
specifically, only one is from Alibaba Cloud and two are from Taobao,
while the remaining four, including the new PMC member, are from
non-Alibaba companies.

 * Becket Qin - Linkedin

 * Benchao Li - ByteDance

 * Feng Wang - *Alibaba Cloud*

 * Giannis Polyzos - *Ververica*

 * Jark Wu - *Alibaba Cloud*

 * Jean-Baptiste Onofré - Dremio

 * Jingsong Lee - *Alibaba Cloud*

 * Mehul Batra - DigitalOcean

 * Michael Koepf - Dynatrace

 * Nicholas Jiang - Ant Group

 * Yu Li - *Alibaba Cloud*

 * Yunhong Zheng - *Alibaba Cloud*

 * Yuxia Luo - *Alibaba Cloud*

 * Zili Chen - ScopeDB

And according to my observation, the community has been operating in a
vendor-neutral manner - consistent with the Apache Way - throughout the
incubation period. All roadmap [3], release [4], feature [5] [6]
discussions have taken place publicly on the dev mailing list, with no
private decision-making occurring.

Best Regards,
Yu

[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/FlussProposal
[2] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/fluss.html
[3] https://lists.apache.org/thread/x96oq2s7pt7752ozq0cdkjn6nygg6zxh
[4] https://lists.apache.org/thread/ct4cx9s3rs14jb3ccxztdxgp7jzc1pob
[5] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q24o2ylo35wtkczb4l28b0bk97vvqo3x
[6] https://lists.apache.org/thread/s7xlcgtqgtvo656c6ggb0kd379qpzmw3


On Tue, 26 May 2026 at 00:40, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Justin,
>
> Regarding the distribution concerns you raised, I apologize that it wasn't
> initially clear what steps the podling needed to take. My understanding was
> that the project was using the "create release" button on GitHub; however,
> since the podling follows standard distribution practices via
> dist.apache.org, we can resolve these issues quickly.
>
> Regarding vendor neutrality and trademarking, those are excellent points. I
> believe these will be relatively straightforward to address. In my
> experience working with the PPMC members, even those with various corporate
> affiliations act as individuals who are dedicated to advancing the project.
> I am confident the PPMC members will provide more specific details
> regarding the roster.
>
> Regards,
> JB
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2026 at 10:27 AM Justin Mclean <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The project looks in good shape as a graduation candidate, but I think we
> > have some issues here. Fuss was recently mentioned in [1], and it appears
> > the mentors/PPMC took no action, which is itself a concern.
> >
> > So your download page:
> >     • No closer.lua / [preferred] links for release artifacts. The page
> is
> > serving downloads but not routing through the ASF mirror network - this
> > MUST be done. Is there a reason the project is not following policy here?
> >     • Some checksum and signature links do not use
> > https://downloads.apache.org/.
> >     • No KEYS link pointing to https://downloads.apache.org/ was found.
> >     • No visible download verification instructions on the page.
> >
> > Docker Hub - The Docker Hub description does not include a visible
> > incubation disclaimer text.
> >
> > Docker Hub: fluss/fluss -- needs attention - misuse of ASF trademarks.
> >
> > Maven Central - The POM descriptions don't include incubation disclaimer
> > text.
> >
> > There are also some serious 3rd party branding concerns:
> >
> > Ververica (the commercial company behind Apache Flink, part of Alibaba)
> is
> > the biggest source of potential branding issues. The blog posts and
> > announcements generally use "Apache Fluss™ (incubating)" correctly, with
> a
> > TM symbol, which is good.
> >
> > The Ververica documentation page [1] is titled simply "Fluss" with no
> > "Apache" prefix throughout, which doesn't meet the ASF requirement to use
> > "Apache Fluss" on first and prominent references. It also misses a
> > trademark statement. The blog tag page uses "Fluss" as a category tag
> > alongside "Apache Flink”, so it's inconsistently treated: Flink gets the
> > "Apache” prefix, but "Fluss" doesn't.
> >
> > The Alibaba Cloud community blog has posts mixing pre-donation "Fluss"
> > references with post-donation "Apache Fluss (Incubating)” references.
> This
> > could create confusion about the brand's ownership. Some post-incubator
> > articles are also incorrect, e.g.
> https://www.alibabacloud.com/blog/602412
> >
> > Alibaba Cloud has just released a managed service for Apache Fluss. I am
> > curious to know whether that follows the ASF's trademark and branding
> > policies.
> >
> > I also have a concern about vendor neutrality.  The project originated
> > entirely within Alibaba Cloud, and Ververica is an Alibaba subsidiary, so
> > they're one corporate family. Of the 14 proposed PMC members, I can see
> > that several are Alibaba Cloud or Ververica employees. Can you provide an
> > explicit company breakdown of all 14 PMC members, excluding mentors,
> > counting Alibaba and Ververica as a single entity? While the figures of
> 8+
> > companies and 44 unique committers are encouraging, I think it would be
> > helpful to have a bit more detail here.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/xnb4lhjk82y3c0zd0f622ljgjrpdlydf
> > 2. https://docs.ververica.com/introduction/about-ecosystem/fluss/
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