> On Aug 4, 2025, at 5:43 PM, Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> HI,
>
> First, regarding community size and activity, while growth has been slow, the
> project has maintained a functioning community, produced releases, and
> addressed user needs. Not all ASF projects grow at the same pace, and some
> fill niche roles. Note that the project primarily exists to produce training
> materials, not software releases, and it has produced over 20 presentations
> on various ASF topics and projects.
>
> To judge if this is a viable TLP, it depends on whether the project
> demonstrates enough independence, process maturity, and community
> self-governance to stand on its own. I don't think any of this is in question.
I agree. I also have other concerns which are due to some of what I have been
thinking through as VP, Tooling while we build a new Release platform.
1. There is a class of projects that do not really plan to “release” software.
I think that all PMCs and PPMCs should all be expected to be able to do
releases (maybe some rules change, but following the release process). This
means that the Attic, Comdev, Whimsy, PonyMail, Gump, and the Incubator should
all do releases of their processes. This means that they know what they can
support.
2. A PMC needs to understand what variety of product they will be releasing
along with how many sub-projects are needed. For example, what will Apache
Training produce? A training material development platform or training
material? Since they are discussing official badging then, whether they realize
it or not I think they should develop both product types.
3. When a PPMC or propose TLP includes a large number of current ASF Members it
is usually consider to NOT require much mentoring since the people involved are
already qualified to be mentors.
So, yes graduate Training and no there is no reason to hold them back.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Justin
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