Is this really a viable TLP? To me it looks more like a project heading to a "dormant" status rather one that is vibrant and expanding.
By my count the initial PPMC had 13 members and after six years, its added two and lost ten. I also note that one of the proposed PMC members initially declined and only agreed to continue to make the TLP appear more viable. I see low levels on the dev list and two releases (2020 & 2024) in six years. Its also very strange that one of the proposed PMC members is not on the PPMC. I would have expected to find a vote for that person to join the PPMC - it doesn't show a good understanding of how ASF projects are supposed to operate - which is very odd since the rest of the proposed PMC are either current or past directors. Niall On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 at 14:49, Rich Bowen <rbo...@apache.org> wrote: > Dear Incubator PMC and community members, > > I'd like to start a discussion about graduating Apache Training from the > Incubator to become a Top-Level Project at the Apache Software Foundation. > > Apache Training entered the Apache Incubator on February 21, 2019, with > the mission to create high-quality training material for various Apache > projects in an open source form. After more than 6 years of incubation, we > believe Apache Training has reached maturity where continued incubation > offers diminishing benefits. > > == Project Achievements == > > Project Development: > - Developed a comprehensive library of training materials covering > multiple Apache projects > - Created a standardized format for training modules that can be easily > reused and combined > - Established infrastructure for building and distributing training > presentations using Docker > - Implemented tools to manage training content and facilitate collaboration > > Community Growth: > - Attracted contributors from various Apache projects and the broader open > source community > - Built a diverse community representing different organizations and > backgrounds > - Established collaboration with multiple Apache projects to develop > project-specific training materials > - Created a welcoming environment for documentation contributors with a > focus on quality content > > Infrastructure and Compliance: > - Complete migration to Apache infrastructure > - All training materials properly licensed under Apache License 2.0 > - Website and documentation properly branded according to Apache guidelines > - Established processes for contributing new training materials > > Governance and Transparency: > - All discussions occur on public mailing lists (d...@training.apache.org) > - Decision-making follows the Apache consensus-based approach > - Regular project status reporting to the Incubator PMC > - Diverse and active PPMC with members from multiple organizations > > == Governance Plan == > > We have confirmed the initial PMC membership and selected a chair/VP: > > - Proposed PMC Chair: Rich Bowen > - Proposed PMC Members: > - Rich Bowen > - Justin Mclean > - Andrew Wetmore > - Craig Russell > - Christofer Dutz > > == Community Consensus == > > We have conducted a discussion on the Training community mailing lists for > graduating as a Top-Level project, and the community has reached consensus > for graduation. The discussion thread can be found at: > https://lists.apache.org/thread/[thread-id] > > == Project Scope and Future Plans == > > Apache Training will continue to: > - Develop shared material that can be used for training across Apache > projects > - Create material about the ASF, how it works, and how best to contribute > - Focus on cross-project training resources > - Develop "labs" or "hands-on" exercises > - Improve infrastructure for building and distributing training materials > - Develop tools to manage training content > > As stated in our original goals, we will not be establishing an official > "Apache Training Program" with certifications, though this may be > reconsidered in the future based on community feedback. > > == References == > > 1. Project Website: http://training.incubator.apache.org/ > 2. Wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAINING/ > 3. Source Code: https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-training.git > 4. Mailing Lists: d...@training.apache.org > 5. JIRA: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TRAINING > 6. Initial Incubation Status: > https://incubator.apache.org/projects/training.html > > We welcome any feedback, questions, or concerns from the Incubator PMC and > broader community regarding this graduation proposal. If there are no major > objections, we plan to start a [VOTE] thread in approximately one week. > > Kind regards, > Rich Bowen > Apache Training PPMC > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
