As a mentor of the KIE project I believe the release should go ahead. The LGPL problem has been extensively discussed and KIE project was told it wouldn't be a problem for the first release iteration.
I believe it's important to release for maintaining the community alive. So here is +1 to the release. On 2024/11/14 15:45:19 Alex Porcelli wrote: > I believe that we already discussed the Hibernate license issue in this ML > [1], and seemed that there was a general understanding that the WIP > disclaimer would be enough. > > > My honest feedback is that feels that the release requirement hás been a > moving target. The lack of release is hurting the large KIE community of > users (drools, jbpm, kogito, etc) and contributors. > > When we entering in incubation we’ve been told that we didn’t need to be > perfect first time, that was exactly the purpose of the incubation - to > incrementally improve in Apache requirements. > > [1] - > https://lists.apache.org/thread/j50dsth8740qw16k5cjycjof8y1kpt50 > > > Regards, > _____________ > Alex Porcelli > http://porcelli.me > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 10:35 AM PJ Fanning <fannin...@apache.org> wrote: > > > The Hibernate LGPL stuff in the DISCLAIMER-WIP is possibly an issue. > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-drools/blob/main/DISCLAIMER-WIP > > > > Using a DISCLAIMER-WIP allows you some leeway with Apache License > > compatible licenses. It does not give you leeway with ones that are > > not compatible like LGPL. > > > > See Category X in: > > https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html > > > > One thing that you can do is have a Maven POM that links to a > > Hibernate jar and code that imports Hibernate classes. You can't > > include any code in your source release that is a copy of Hibernate > > code. You can't include Hibernate classes in one of the KIE jars (e.g. > > a fat jar that includes 3rd party classes, shaded or not). You can't > > include Hibernate jars into any binary distribution (e.g. any of the > > archives that you have put on dist.apache.org). > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 at 16:22, Jason Porter <jpor...@ibm.com.invalid> > > wrote: > > > > > > Would it be good to include a build.txt or something like that in the > > root of the source tarball? We have it on the website, but something closer > > to the source might be good to have. > > > > > > -- > > > Jason Porter > > > Software Engineer > > > He/Him/His > > > > > > IBM > > > > > > > > > From: Alex Porcelli <a...@porcelli.me> > > > Date: Thursday, November 14, 2024 at 07:03 > > > To: general@incubator.apache.org <general@incubator.apache.org> > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Release Apache KIE(incubating) v10.0.0-rc3 > > > Here is a detailed build instruction > > > https://kie.apache.org/docs/community/build > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 4:11 AM PJ Fanning <fannin...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > The only jar that I could find in the source release is: > > > > > > > > > > incubator-kie-tools/packages/stunner-editors/errai-ui/src/test/resources/less.jar > > > > > > > > It would be ideal if this could be removed. > > > > > > > > apache-kie-10.0.0-incubating-sources.zip from > > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/kie/10.0.0-rc3/ > > > > > > > > I think it would also be useful if the KIE team could provide a 'How > > > > to Build KIE from its source release' guide for IPMC reviewers. > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 at 03:21, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 1:16 PM Alex Porcelli <porce...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > This email serves as a call for votes to release Apache KIE > > > > > > (Incubating) v10.0.0-rc3. In this release candidate we have made > > > > > > efforts to incorporate feedback from the previous voting thread > > [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Apache KIE community has reviewed and approved the release of > > > > > > Apache KIE (Incubating) v10.0.0-rc3. We now kindly request IPMC > > > > > > members to review and cast their votes on this release. > > > > > > > > > > > > Important Note: We have identified an issue with the NOTICE and > > > > > > LICENSE files [2], but we hope this will not pose a blocker for the > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on the description, I think they are. In addition, you need to > > > > > resolve the binaries in your source release. Typically if they are > > test > > > > > artifacts, the source contents of them are available within the > > source tree > > > > > with a command to run to build the test artifacts, or a download > > location > > > > > on where to pull them from would work as well. There is no one right > > > > > answer that can be given. > > > > > > > > > > Also, I think you need to look at what a release is here at Apache. > > While > > > > > it's fine to have convenience binaries, a source release consists of > > the > > > > > source code that makes those binaries. What we would typically vote > > on is > > > > > a source tarball that can be reviewed. The staged maven artifacts > > are a > > > > > combination of source JARs, binary JARs and other files. How do I > > compile > > > > > the source jars to make the binary JARs? [1] may be of interest if > > you > > > > > have not yet reviewed. > > > > > > > > > > So it's a -1 from me, johndament IPMC. > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > [1]: https://apache.org/dev/#releases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache KIE(incubating) - The home of the most popular business > > > > > > automation open-source technologies including Drools, jBPM, > > > > > > SonataFlow, Optaplanner, Kogito and Tools. > > > > > > > > > > > > KIE community vote thread: > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/nxx66ccognnk8fozt4nk11z7g57c7fnb > > > > > > > > > > > > Vote result thread: > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/1hhkchlwt69fn9cd3lgok55mw61kn862 > > > > > > > > > > > > The release candidate: > > > > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/kie/10.0.0-rc3/ > > > > > > > > > > > > The maven staging repos for this release: > > > > > > - Drools: > > > > > > > > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachekie-1055 > > > > > > - Optaplanner: > > > > > > > > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachekie-1056 > > > > > > - Kogito Runtimes: > > > > > > > > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachekie-1057 > > > > > > - Kogito Apps: > > > > > > > > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachekie-1058 > > > > > > - Kogito Apps - JITExecutor Native Linux: > > > > > > > > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachekie-1059 > > > > > > - Kogito Apps - JITExecutor Native Windows: > > > > > > > > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachekie-1060 > > > > > > - Kogito Apps - JITExecutor Native MacOS: > > > > > > > > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachekie-1061 > > > > > > - KIE Tools - JBPM Quarkus DevUI: > > > > > > > > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachekie-1064 > > > > > > - KIE Tools - Sonataflow Quarkus DevUI: > > > > > > > > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachekie-1065 > > > > > > > > > > > > The artifacts are signed with PGP key corresponding to > > > > > > [priv...@kie.apache.org], found in the KEYS file: > > > > > > > > > > > > https://downloads.apache.org/incubator/kie/KEYS > > > > > > > > > > > > The vote will be open for at least 72 hours until the necessary > > number > > > > > > of votes are reached. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please vote accordingly: > > > > > > [ ] +1 approve > > > > > > [ ] +0 no opinion > > > > > > [ ] -1 disapprove with the reason > > > > > > > > > > > > To learn more about KIE, please see https://kie.apache.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Checklist for reference: > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] Download KIE artifacts are valid. > > > > > > [ ] Checksums and PGP signatures are valid. > > > > > > [ ] Source code distributions have correct names matching the > > current > > > > > > release. > > > > > > [ ] LICENSE and NOTICE files are correct. > > > > > > [ ] All files have license headers if necessary. > > > > > > [ ] No compiled archives bundled in source archive. > > > > > > [ ] Can compile from source. > > > > > > > > > > > > For updated information on how to verify the release, please refer > > to: > > > > > > https://kie.apache.org/docs/community/verify > > > > > > > > > > > > For updated information on how to build from source zip, please > > refer to: > > > > > > https://kie.apache.org/docs/community/build > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] - > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/oz1xfz48jwlw05sdy0wvtnrhn27jc72h > > > > > > [2] - > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/y9x068xwoqwrtzyrwhv06loxtt8v06fn > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
