Ross said everything that I would have said... only better. > On Aug 18, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Ross Gardler <rgard...@outlook.com> wrote: > > Only replying because I'm called out explicitly. > > Documentation does not solve the problem. If someone doesn't already "get" > this stuff then they should not be mentoring. Having a document does not > replace for selecting good mentors who have the time to do the job right. > > It's a good effort in the broader context, but doesn't solve the problem I > see in the IPMC (insufficient high quality mentoring coupled with too much > application of rules in the process). The proposed doc is interesting but > it's just more words, We need more action. > > How would I solve the problem? If I were championing another project into the > ASF I would carefully select mentors, just as I have in the past. I'd select > those who don't need the above document and who I'm confident will pay > attention and be constructive. I'd then work with those mentors and the > community to ensure people coming through the process are equipped to help me > on the next project I champion. > > This is not new. It's how we setup the Incubator in the first place. But over > the years it has become a machine rather than personal relationships. More > words about the design of the machine won't change this. > > I don't mean to say the effort you are putting in is wasted effort. Clarity > in what is expected can help the podlings, but I don't see how this can > really help those people I would already trust to be good mentors i.e. People > who have a vested interest in the success of the project and already know how > to apply the Apache Way to new communities so that they might flourish in > their own way. > > Ross > > > --- > > Sent from my phone, you know what that means - sorry > > ________________________________ > From: Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:26:32 PM > To: general@incubator.apache.org <general@incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document > > Hi, > > I've had hoped I'd get more of a response to the mentor guidance > documentation I suggested. Perhaps it got lost in the other noise? > > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FINCUBATOR%2FMentor%2BGuidance&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0e716c1bb8a74438cd0108d7237b24aa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637016884106582384&sdata=9v85p9zRNDFHPp3yJgpVp7GUz%2F0NDNvC8vQuZjT4X50%3D&reserved=0 > > Jim and Ross, you have recently stated that you are concerned about the > erosion of our values and principles. It would be great to see your input on > this. If you have other idea one how these values can be better passed to > incubating incubation it would be great to hear. > > I also welcome other IPMC members who have experience and can offer some > advice to other mentors. > > Thanks, > Justin > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >
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