I like the idea of generating a placeholder for a podling on incubation. It can serve many purposes. See the other thread.
I don’t think time limits like three months works as some podlings wait more than six months for all of their SGAs. Regards, Dave > On Apr 15, 2018, at 10:26 AM, Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Exactly. Nobody ever mentioned "redirect". Gian's original email said > "placeholder" five times. > > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2018, 10:15 Gian Merlino <g...@imply.io> wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> What we were thinking in Druid is that we want to have _something_ up on >> http://druid.incubator.apache.org/, but it didn't seem appropriate to move >> over the full site before the SGA & CLAs have all been finalized (those are >> in progress). So we put up a temporary placeholder. >> >> IMO, a placeholder is better than a redirect, since it makes it more clear >> that the pre-Apache site is not Apache-vetted nor Apache-operated. A >> redirect from an Apache domain to a non-Apache domain is easy for a visitor >> to fail to notice. >> >> Gian >> >> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 6:22 AM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >>> My input is a point for pagespeed to consider. Personally, I'm not >>> comfortable with what's proposed by Druid but it's not worth muddying up >>> pagespeed's inquiry. My preference is for a podling to get their website >>> moved over quickly (and we need to figure out how to help them make that >>> move quickly). What I do believe though is that our branding >> requirements >>> would propagate over to that website as well (which it sounds like Druid >>> has a bit wrong, at least in my take). >>> >>> - Redirecting to another website that's hosting your docs doesn't remove >>> the need for proper naming, so it should be Apache Druid (incubating) or >>> Apache PageSpeed (incubating) upon first entry. >>> - Even if the website is hosted elsewhere, I still expect to see the >>> disclaimer. >>> - The downloads page should indicate these are not Apache releases. >>> >>> Perhaps Mark T has some more input on the branding and naming aspects. >>> >>> John >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 12:02 AM Julian Hyde <jhyde.apa...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I (as a Druid mentor) suggested the placeholder page, for the exact >>>> reasons Greg describes. Short term, I promise, and better than a 404. >>>> >>>> Julian >>>> >>>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 20:15, Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> One step at a time. If they want to throw a single page up *today* >>> rather >>>>> than wait six weeks to fully port their website... I would take the >>> page. >>>>> We already had an inquiry on Druid of where their site is. >>>>> >>>>> A placeholder is better than a 404. Unless, of course, you are >>> personally >>>>> volunteering to quickly move their entire site and workflow... ? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> -g >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 22:03 John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Gian, Otto, >>>>>> >>>>>> I can tell you that the proposed plan from Druid is not an OK plan >>> from >>>> my >>>>>> perspective. One of your short term goals should be moving >>>> infrastructure >>>>>> over to the ASF. This includes moving your website over. >> Redirecting >>>> your >>>>>> ASF webpage to your old webpage will not fly. >>>>>> >>>>>> While we can't give the same level of support as you would see on >>> github >>>>>> pages (maybe we'll get there one day), setting up builds in Jenkins >> or >>>>>> Buildbot is pretty straight forward. Even the incubator website >> runs >>> in >>>>>> this model. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's perfectly acceptable to link to pre-Apache releases on your >>>> website. >>>>>> I'm not sure if any of the docs lead you to believe otherwise, but >>> this >>>> is >>>>>> a fine thing to do. They just need to be clearly marked as not >> Apache >>>>>> releases. >>>>>> >>>>>> The disclaimer that we request is meant to be shown on all pages of >>> the >>>>>> podling's website. Not just the landing page. If these are user >>> facing >>>>>> documents, then they must have the disclaimer on them. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 5:42 PM Gian Merlino <g...@imply.io> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Otto, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am just another podling committer, so this isn't authoritative >>>> advice, >>>>>>> but for Druid's incubating page we are planning to put up a >>> placeholder >>>>>>> page with a link to the current community site. It isn't up yet, >> but >>>> the >>>>>>> html we are planning to use is here: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-druid-website/blob/ >>> asf-site/index.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our rationale was: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) Before the site is migrated, it's better to have a placeholder >>> than >>>> a >>>>>>> 404. >>>>>>> 2) A placeholder with a link can make it more clear that the >> releases >>>> on >>>>>>> druid.io are not Apache releases. >>>>>>> 3) A placeholder helps satisfy the requirement that podling web >> sites >>>>>> must >>>>>>> have an incubation disclaimer ( >>>>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When we migrate the community site to Apache infra then it would >>>> replace >>>>>>> the placeholder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Otto van der Schaaf < >>>> osch...@apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Currently pagespeed.incubator.apache.org responds with a 404, >> which >>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>>> very nice. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So now we are wondering if there are any concerns with issueing a >>>>>>> temporary >>>>>>>> redirect to >>>>>>>> modpagespeed.com. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One concern could be that modpagespeed.com links to code / >> releases >>>>>> that >>>>>>>> have not yet been >>>>>>>> through the formal Apache release process. Would explicitly >>> mentioning >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> fact >>>>>>>> be sufficient to address it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would be grateful for any input / guidance on this topic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Otto >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>
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