It is unreasonable to assume a podling can do everything on Day One. Incubation is a *process*, not an instantaneous production of effort.
While the website work is being performed, having podling.incubator.apache.org NOT produce a 404 is useful. Having that page describe the podling is in the Incubator, adding the disclaimer, and saying "over <there> is our original site" is useful. IMO, you're being unreasonable. -g On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:22 AM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote: > My input is a point for pagespeed to consider. Personally, I'm not > comfortable with what's proposed by Druid but it's not worth muddying up > pagespeed's inquiry. My preference is for a podling to get their website > moved over quickly (and we need to figure out how to help them make that > move quickly). What I do believe though is that our branding requirements > would propagate over to that website as well (which it sounds like Druid > has a bit wrong, at least in my take). > > - Redirecting to another website that's hosting your docs doesn't remove > the need for proper naming, so it should be Apache Druid (incubating) or > Apache PageSpeed (incubating) upon first entry. > - Even if the website is hosted elsewhere, I still expect to see the > disclaimer. > - The downloads page should indicate these are not Apache releases. > > Perhaps Mark T has some more input on the branding and naming aspects. > > John > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 12:02 AM Julian Hyde <jhyde.apa...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I (as a Druid mentor) suggested the placeholder page, for the exact > > reasons Greg describes. Short term, I promise, and better than a 404. > > > > Julian > > > > > On Apr 13, 2018, at 20:15, Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > One step at a time. If they want to throw a single page up *today* > rather > > > than wait six weeks to fully port their website... I would take the > page. > > > We already had an inquiry on Druid of where their site is. > > > > > > A placeholder is better than a 404. Unless, of course, you are > personally > > > volunteering to quickly move their entire site and workflow... ? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > -g > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 22:03 John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Gian, Otto, > > >> > > >> I can tell you that the proposed plan from Druid is not an OK plan > from > > my > > >> perspective. One of your short term goals should be moving > > infrastructure > > >> over to the ASF. This includes moving your website over. Redirecting > > your > > >> ASF webpage to your old webpage will not fly. > > >> > > >> While we can't give the same level of support as you would see on > github > > >> pages (maybe we'll get there one day), setting up builds in Jenkins or > > >> Buildbot is pretty straight forward. Even the incubator website runs > in > > >> this model. > > >> > > >> It's perfectly acceptable to link to pre-Apache releases on your > > website. > > >> I'm not sure if any of the docs lead you to believe otherwise, but > this > > is > > >> a fine thing to do. They just need to be clearly marked as not Apache > > >> releases. > > >> > > >> The disclaimer that we request is meant to be shown on all pages of > the > > >> podling's website. Not just the landing page. If these are user > facing > > >> documents, then they must have the disclaimer on them. > > >> > > >> John > > >> > > >>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 5:42 PM Gian Merlino <g...@imply.io> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hi Otto, > > >>> > > >>> I am just another podling committer, so this isn't authoritative > > advice, > > >>> but for Druid's incubating page we are planning to put up a > placeholder > > >>> page with a link to the current community site. It isn't up yet, but > > the > > >>> html we are planning to use is here: > > >>> > > >> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-druid-website/blob/ > asf-site/index.html > > >>> > > >>> Our rationale was: > > >>> > > >>> 1) Before the site is migrated, it's better to have a placeholder > than > > a > > >>> 404. > > >>> 2) A placeholder with a link can make it more clear that the releases > > on > > >>> druid.io are not Apache releases. > > >>> 3) A placeholder helps satisfy the requirement that podling web sites > > >> must > > >>> have an incubation disclaimer ( > > >>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html). > > >>> > > >>> When we migrate the community site to Apache infra then it would > > replace > > >>> the placeholder. > > >>> > > >>> Gian > > >>> > > >>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Otto van der Schaaf < > > osch...@apache.org > > >>> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Hi all, > > >>>> > > >>>> Currently pagespeed.incubator.apache.org responds with a 404, which > > >>> isn't > > >>>> very nice. > > >>>> > > >>>> So now we are wondering if there are any concerns with issueing a > > >>> temporary > > >>>> redirect to > > >>>> modpagespeed.com. > > >>>> > > >>>> One concern could be that modpagespeed.com links to code / releases > > >> that > > >>>> have not yet been > > >>>> through the formal Apache release process. Would explicitly > mentioning > > >>> that > > >>>> fact > > >>>> be sufficient to address it? > > >>>> > > >>>> I would be grateful for any input / guidance on this topic. > > >>>> > > >>>> Kind regards, > > >>>> > > >>>> Otto > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > >
