> On Jan 20, 2015, at 6:46 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org> 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <l...@toolazydogs.com> 
>> wrote:
>> ...Isn’t it obvious what the above and IncubatorV2 proposal are about?  
>> Consolidating
>> like minded individuals into a new IPMC and shutting out the other 
>> inconvenient
>> members until "they come to their senses”....
> 
> I don't buy that conspiracy theory, for me it's just very difficult to
> build consensus in the Incubator as the goal is much fuzzier than
> producing software.
> 
> But maybe I'm too candid ;-)

I am not espousing a conspiracy theory; there is no secret cabal formed after 
an ApaceCon pub crawl. 

I too am being candid. I am merely providing an unvarnished distillation of 
what the proposals virtually are.

Garnering consensus is difficult here, in part because of the fuzziness you 
mention, but also because members have such different opinions as to what the 
Incubator function is and what it means to be an Apache project.

Under the above proposals, that necessarily messy, frustrating, exhausting, 
process of garnering consensus on the above thorny issues will not take place 
as philosophically compatible IPM v2 members turn out Apache projects that fit 
their view.
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