On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Joe Stein wrote:

> I uploaded a md5 checksum
> http://people.apache.org/~joestein/kafka-0.7.1-incubating-candidate-2/ to
> go along with the detached signature that was generated already

Thanks. 

> 
> starting the kafka server is in the quick start
> http://incubator.apache.org/kafka/quickstart.html

I did track that doc down.

I find it easier to read that info in the download. Rather than bring up a 
README and then have to visit a web site (which may not be documenting the 
kafka version that I'm trying to start). But that's just my opinion and it's a 
minor point… I'm happy for the Kafka project to decide how they document their 
project...

Here's what I got trying to start zookeeper.properties, yesterday:

[2012-06-18 16:52:09,788] INFO Opening socket connection to server 
localhost/0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1:2181 (org.apache.zookeeper.ClientCnxn)
[2012-06-18 16:52:09,798] WARN Session 0x0 for server null, unexpected error, 
closing socket connection and attempting reconnect 
(org.apache.zookeeper.ClientCnxn)
java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused
        at sun.nio.ch.SocketChannelImpl.checkConnect(Native Method)
        at 
sun.nio.ch.SocketChannelImpl.finishConnect(SocketChannelImpl.java:599)
        at org.apache.zookeeper.ClientCnxn$SendThread.run(ClientCnxn.java:1146)

Seems to be working today. Don't know what's changed… Again not a big deal. You 
guys are in control of these issues/non-issues. When reviewing a release, I try 
to build (and start) a project.

> 
> looking at Cassandra and Hadoop source distributions both have jars in them
> too, so not sure the issue you are raising others might have a better
> understanding or I am missing something you are trying to point out

We (the ASF) are not always terribly consistent. And there could be some debate 
on this. And I'm not sure there's official documented policy around this… 
Finally, I confess that in the past, I've been part of a project that has 
released a jar file(s) as part of a source release. However, IMO, this was a 
mistake. And since corrected…  

Apache releases are *source* releases. See 
http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what -- "All releases are in the form of 
the source materials needed to make changes to the software being released." 

IMO, we should not be including jar's, dll's, and other binary artifacts in our 
source releases. You may find some alternate opinions. I'm not aware of 
documentation that makes this explicit…

Build utilities (e.g. ant, maven, sbt, ivy) are usually a requirement to build 
a release. Not included in the release. I don't know why you are including the 
other jar/dll files in your source. But would encourage you to stop...

> 
> I would like to keep the RC2 voting open for another few days to see if
> this release passes (as folks have not had time to review) or we can get to
> what issues we need to have resolved that can be done for RC3 for a new
> vote either with objective to getting 0.7.1 released.

You are the release manager. You're in control of the release timing/process. 
It's certainly frustrating to have a release vote, a problem found, and then 
have people hold off reviewing the release until there's a new RC. So, 
encouraging additional reviews/votes is quite understandable.

Also, there aren't VETO's of release votes. So my vote does not necessarily 
mean your release vote fails.

FYI, out-of-date copyright statements are not typically considered a blocking 
issue for a release…

> 
> current votes:
> 
> +1 [1] +0 [0] -1 [0] from the PPMC
> 
> and
> 
> +1 [0] +0 [0] -1 [0] from the IPMC
> 
> please let me know if there is something different we want or should have
> been doing here or that I can be or should be doing differently.

I see that I didn't register my vote in my original email. Here's mine -- -1 
(binding). 

Binding just means that I'm a member of the Incubator PMC. Beyond the 
requirement for 3 +1 IPMC votes, it doesn't count more or less than any other 
votes… There aren't veto's of release votes. As a release manager, you can 
decide if problems found merit a new release candidate.

--kevan
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