Thanks for the clarification.

Matt Hogstrom
m...@hogstrom.org

A Day Without Nuclear Fusion Is a Day Without Sunshine

On Mar 22, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Alan Gates wrote:

> Just to be clear, my intention was not to diminish people who only add docs, 
> fix small problems, etc.  On the Pig project we have one committer who only 
> contributes documentation, which I think is great.  The point I was trying to 
> make is that contributing five patches that fix trivial issues would not be 
> enough to make me vote for a person.  I suppose it would be more complete to 
> note that if a person consistently contributed patches of this nature it 
> would make sense to consider adding them.
> 
> Alan.
> 
> On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
> 
>> I'll throw in my +1 too.  Folks that provide doc are just as valuable as 
>> folks writing code as it delivers value for the consumer of the project.  
>> Its value to the project being delivered in different ways.
>> 
>> Matt Hogstrom
>> m...@hogstrom.org
>> 
>> A Day Without Nuclear Fusion Is a Day Without Sunshine
>> 
>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> 
>>> +1 Dan, people really do learn from the codebase as they whittle
>>> on it.  I know when I first got commit at the ASF I knew precious
>>> little about C, but after a few years of work here finally got the hang
>>> of it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
>>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Cc: Alan Gates <ga...@hortonworks.com>; Jukka Zitting 
>>>> <jukka.zitt...@gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:42 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Keeping an eye out for new committers
>>>> 
>>>> On Friday, March 16, 2012 04:28:06 PM Alan Gates wrote:
>>>>> With my mentor hat on, this is a poke to remind you (the PPMC) that 
>>>> it's
>>>>> your job to be on the lookout for contributors that may be ready to
>>>>> become committers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I look for several things when I consider making someone a committer:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) Patches, are they contributing quality features and/or bug fixes. They
>>>>> don't have to have written a new subsystem, but you want to look for
>>>>> patches that demonstrate understanding in some area, not just spelling
>>>>> fixes in error messages, etc.  
>>>> 
>>>> I just want to mention that patches that fix "just spelling fixes in error 
>>>> messages, etc."  shouldn't be discounted so harshly.   In CXF, one of 
>>>> the 
>>>> historically most active contributors got started by deluging us with such 
>>>> patches.   We made him a committer (so he could fix all of that himself) 
>>>> which helped build his confidence and he's expanded out from there.   His 
>>>> work just on the spelling mistakes and messages and stuff has been a big 
>>>> help in making things "feel" more professional, especially in a 
>>>> projects 
>>>> where a large number of people don't have english as their native 
>>>> language.  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> All contributions are welcome and have value.   Just because it may not be 
>>>> technical in nature doesn't make them have any less value from a 
>>>> "should 
>>>> this person be a committer" standpoint.  
>>>> 
>>>> But the rest of this is good.  :-)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> One good way to find what patches a
>>>>> contributor has done is to look over the contributor report from JIRA. 
>>>>> You can get this by going to your project's JIRA, and under the reports
>>>>> drop down on the right side, click on "Contribution Report".
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) Emails, comments on JIRA, etc. giving others feedback, answering user
>>>>> questions, etc.  Again you can use the contribution report to see JIRA
>>>>> comments.  You can find emails in the mailing list archives for your
>>>>> project.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3) Is this person good to work with?  Do they give constructive feedback? 
>>>>> Do they take feedback well?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4) Does this person seem likely to stay involved?  All Apache positions
>>>>> are volunteer and so we can't ask people to sign up for a period of 
>>>> time
>>>>> or promise to be around forever.  But if I sense that a contributor is
>>>>> just fixing one problem they need fixed, I usually wait to see if they
>>>>> continue their involvement after that issue is addressed before
>>>>> nominating them as a committer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
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