Hi Noel, Thanks for your reply. Comments below:
>> From my point of view, it would be nice for podlings with active mentors >> to be able to guide their own decisions, especially if there are 3 active >> mentors and they approve. For example in our case in OODT, we can achieve >> consensus and obtain much of the necessary VOTEs and oversight from our >> mentors like Justin and Ian and myself. > > Well, that's sufficient, Chris. There should be no "nice to have" aspect. > The only requirement is that the PMC has the ability to oversee. If we can > streamline that process, great. Yeah, I guess to me the PPMC* mentors should be fine to oversee without double checking with the IPMC*. The podling mentors represent the IPMC* in my mind and should be its shepherds, not those other IPMC* folks who aren't participating in the day to day of the podling. > >> I'm not sure that teaching the podlings that once they do a committer VOTE >> with the PPMC that they then have to do an IPMC vote after that is really >> teaching them the Apache way b/c this isn't the way it'll work when they >> graduate. > >> I think so long as there are active mentors shepherding the experienced > PMC >> role on the project, then VOTEs at the PPMC level should be all that's >> required. > > The problem is that the PPMC has no standing. I keep telling people to stop > using the term IPMC. It is the Incubator PMC. The terms IPMC and PPMC make > them look somehow equivalent. I guess that's what I take exception to, I think the PPMC* _should_ have standing. I saw your other reply to Joe on this and the fact that you're going to ask for clarification from the Board on seemingly a related subject. Sounds good to me. > > Now, because you have 3+ PMC members in the project, those votes have > standing, and suffice so long as the rest of the PMC is aware of and has the > opportunity to exercise oversight. Yeah, like I said, to me, podling mentors = IPMC* oversight, so if 3+ mentors approve, then that should be it IMHO. Cheers, Chris * I'm still using PPMC and IPMC b/c that's what the docs call them [1]. [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
