Davanum Srinivas wrote:
James,
Incubation process is not set in stone. Just last week, we voted on
standardizing the mailing list names. So it is a mix of good
judgement, experience, consensus and rules. If you insist we can put
start a VOTE on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think you are part of that as well.
I did bring up issues on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists and we
resolved it. As to "related-ness". I'd even be ok with ActiveMQ as a
TLP or ServiceMix as a TLP. But it does not seem right to be part of
Geronimo as a sub project. I'd prefer ServiceMix folks to work more
closely with WS folks or even move to WS-land. But that's another
story. FYI, am and Guillaume Nodet did work during the hackathon on
some stuff. But i'd like to see more closer cooperation. Especially
for items that you need and those that affect Geronimo like JAX-WS
2.0/JAXB. It's not like we want all ws stuff to be in ws pmc. JSR 181
in Beehive and WSRP4J in portals are good examples of sister projects
that still work closely with Axis dev folks.
Also, what does "community" means? does it mean existing folks who are
working on the projects already at codehaus? Especially when Syanpse
and Axis are mentioned in the proposal and we don't see anyone show up
on the dev mailing lists, it's just fishy to say the least. FYI, this
is not the first time i had to do this. I did this with beehive too.
See my post in Oct 2004 articulating the same concerns with beehive.
First, I don't know what you are expecting regarding Syanpse and Axis.
Synapse hasn't even done a milestone yet so there isn't much to
integrate with JBI. Axis 2 has done mile stones but enough people are
using it yet for the SM team to spend their time on it. And I think if
you'll look closely it is already possible to work with Axis 1.x
services in SM.
Second, I don't think you can expect SM to come to you and flop a bunch
of code out there which makes the integration perfect. I originally came
to the ServiceMix guys with XFire integration and thats how it got
integrated. That in turn got me involved with ServiceMix and Guillaume
in turn has helped XFire a little. Its reciprocal.
Also, I hope you aren't implying that ServiceMix has created an
exclusive community of Codehaus people. I have seen the ServiceMix team
be more than helpful to myself and to others who joined in both in and
outside the Codehaus/Apache communitys. In fact, they MUST. ServiceMix's
job is to not play favorites and integrate with everyone. Why must
ServiceMix work extra close with the WS PMC? I'm sure when people start
needing integration with WS-* projects that will happen. Thats how open
source works right?
Cheers,
- Dan
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Dan Diephouse
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