On 21 Dec 2005, at 14:42, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
James,
Incubation process is not set in stone. Just last week, we voted on
standardizing the mailing list names. So it is a mix of good
judgement, experience, consensus and rules. If you insist we can put
start a VOTE on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think you are part of that as well.
I did bring up issues on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists and we
resolved it. As to "related-ness". I'd even be ok with ActiveMQ as a
TLP or ServiceMix as a TLP.
Those are options we can explore in the future; for now the ActiveMQ
and ServiceMix teams are more than happy with Geronimo as the
sponsoring PMC.
But it does not seem right to be part of
Geronimo as a sub project.
I disagree. ActiveMQ is a core piece of Geronimo and one of the core
dependencies of ServiceMix; ServiceMix also makes heavy use of XBean
and other Geronimo features (JTA, JCA) together with being integrated
into Geronimo. So apart from community overlap there is currently a
greater technical dependency between ServiceMix and Geronimo than
ServiceMIx and WS. Though that doesn't mean ServiceMix will not work
with other WS projects - e.g. we're already using Axis in ServiceMix.
I'm sure there will be some Tuscany <-> ServiceMIx collaboration soon
and I'm interested in seeing a Synapse <-> ServiceMix bridge of some
kind as well.
I'd prefer ServiceMix folks to work more
closely with WS folks or even move to WS-land. But that's another
story.
Sure - we know - you've said this before and it'll happen. I don't
think the sponsor PMC or whether or not ServiceMix is a TLP or part
of Geronimo or WS is gonna change that too much.
FYI, am and Guillaume Nodet did work during the hackathon on
some stuff. But i'd like to see more closer cooperation.
See - already moving ServiceMix to Apache has led to some new
collaboration that might not have happened otherwise :)
Especially
for items that you need and those that affect Geronimo like JAX-WS
2.0/JAXB. It's not like we want all ws stuff to be in ws pmc.
I thought you just said you wanted ServiceMix to move to WS :)
JSR 181
in Beehive and WSRP4J in portals are good examples of sister projects
that still work closely with Axis dev folks.
Also, what does "community" means? does it mean existing folks who are
working on the projects already at codehaus? Especially when Syanpse
and Axis are mentioned in the proposal and we don't see anyone show up
on the dev mailing lists, it's just fishy to say the least.
Dims could you please give us a bit of time to get ServiceMix's house
in order first before we can start collaborating with other projects
in earnest. Don't worry there will be collaboration.
James
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