On Sun, 13 Jul 2014, Michael B. Brutman wrote:

> Tightly integrated protected mode support basically leaves 8088 or 80286
> class machines behind.  Which seems fair given that those machines are
> 25 or more years old now but a big "market" for running any form of DOS
> is to support old hardware.  So a new version of FreeDOS that does not
> work on that hardware limits its reach.  (I suspect that those machines
> would be perfectly happy remaining frozen in time, running an earlier
> version of FreeDOS so this may not be a real issue for them.)

I personally believe FreeDOS really needs to be able to run anywhere 
MS-DOS 5 can run; anything else will leave users on MS-DOS or PC DOS who 
would otherwise prefer to switch.

But I get the feeling that most people who still work on it, they work on 
it for DOSEMU - for running on top of another OS, on relatively modern 
32-bit and 64-bit hardware, not running on metal on XTs and ATs.

> I don't think there is any point to adding new features to FreeDOS that
> older applications can not use.  If you go down that path then you have
> to start modifying applications.  Then you might as well decide on a new
> toolchain, other kernel upgrades that we need, etc. and then we are off
> on a new OS hobby project.  We all know how successful those turn out.

And then it wouldn't really be DOS anymore.

> FreeDOS needs to embrace the retro-computing crowd; they have the
> hardware that needs things like FreeDOS and the spare time to play with
> it and push the limits.

QFT.

e> My personal plans ...
>
> I'm trying to make network programming under DOS easier by providing a
> pretty complete framework for doing it.  I've also picked my projects
> carefully to be both useful and to try to grab some attention to show
> that DOS, although not current, is still capable of some pretty neat
> things.  The PCjr running a web server under IBM DOS 3.3 serving most of
> the content on brutman.com is a good example of this.  It gets people
> thinking "Wow, DOS can do that?  On that level of hardware?"

I sometimes do the same with my 5160; I have an IRC client written for it 
that runs on DOS.  Experiments show that it ought to run on a PC with 256K 
and DOS 2, that's pretty lean.  But that's my mentality - the 
functionality I need, in a light package - the binary's 75K and supports 
utf-8 translation (a must for my usual haunts), color, and basic CTCP 
(though no DCC, multiwindow, or anything fancy).  I recall that you too 
have an IRC client, though with different goals, and different 
functionality.

> At some point I'm going to tackle the kernel and get FreeDOS running on
> a PCjr.  That will make FreeDOS appeal to at least three more people. ;
> - 0.

I used to run it on a Tandy 1000 HX. xD

-uso.

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