At 2:31 PM -0800 2002/11/22, Terry Lambert wrote:
Speaking as someone who is about to step off the deep end and start trying to actually run and test -CURRENT on my system here at home, I believe that this kind of resource would be vitally important.A "bug-filing wizard" would be useful. The "send-pr" system doesn't cut it, and most people are unaware of how to file a decent bug report. It doesn't help when the process involves another computer, a serial cable, recompiling a kernel to use a serial console and turn DDB support on, special configuration for system dump images, and changing the size of your swap partition to support the amount of RAM you have put into the machine.
In contrast, I've had a few crashes this past week from other programs here on my PowerBook G4 running MacOS X (primarily Chimera, based on the Mozilla Gecko engine with native Aqua interface), and they have made it very easy for me to report crashes. They have integrated tools to extract the maximum amount of information from the system as to exactly what other programs were running, what the program stack was, and a whole host of other things. All I have to do is type in my e-mail address, optionally describe what I was trying to do at the time, and have a functioning Internet connection so that they can upload the reports. I'd share some examples with you, but they are *huge*.
Now, we can say that running -CURRENT is not for people who want to be molly-coddled. But I believe it's a good idea to give people better tools to help make a better system. I am convinced that we can find a better compromise.
Gack. I'm not sure even I would be quite this radical -- any moron (like me ;-) can generate a PR that might include a patch. IMO, better would be to give the area to another person who is suitably qualified, has the available cycles, and presumably already has a commit bit.If the PR contains a patch, and the owner does nothing in the allotted time, then give the PR submitter a commit bit, and give ownership of the area over to them.At the very least, PR's will be closed, and more people actively writing code will end up with commit bits.
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