Dear Jaime,

I am interested in copyright law and recently took a course about it.
Regarding online copyright infringement of experimental filmmakers, I can offer 
this message from Jonas Mekas to Kenneth Goldsmith, the founder of Ubuweb, who 
has been very gracious in removing films when asked by filmmakers or their 
families:

February 27, 2010
Ken,
It has come to my attention that you have placed  on your website several of my 
films, including THE BRIG, ZEFIRO TORNA, LAST THREE DAYS OF ALLEN.  You have 
done this without asking my permission, wich I consider irrespectful of me as a 
person and as author of the works you have placed on your website. I have no 
income, I  am trying to survive, and any income that I can get from my work is 
VITAL to my existence and cotinuation of my work.  I think your website is very 
valuable for  classics of the past, works of deceased  film-makers, etc, but I 
am alive and working, and all those works that you have appropriated are 
available to purchase through either myself or Re:Voir or Anthology.
So  I would appreciate very much if you'd remove all my works from your 
website. 
Thank you,
Jonas Mekas

Regarding classics of the past and works of deceased filmmakers, copyright law 
gives families and estates ownership and rights for a determined length of time.
This link gives detailed information about how much time:  
https://www.whoishostingthis.com/resources/copyright-guide/#copyright-length
All work in a fixed or recorded form is automatically protected by copyright 
since the Berne convention of 1988.
Even transfers of copyright revert back to the author after 35 years, to 
protect authors who bargained away their rights.

Re:Voir actively removes from YouTube any films for which we have a contract 
with the filmmaker or their family and to whom we pay royalties for home video 
sales.
In addition we have actively fought to pursue copyright protection in the case 
of perceived infringement, for example for Isidore Isou’s daughter Catherine 
Goldstein or for Maya Deren’s heir Tavia Ito.
Many estates are struggling to preserve and archive the work or in some cases 
to support family members. Therefore I think it is justified to pay them 
royalties that are due.
Also the filmmakers, families or the distributor have invested heavily to make 
high quality transfers, and they are justified in recovering their expenses.
It is the mission of coops and archives and distributors like Re:Voir to make 
these films available, and these are not rich institutions but struggling 
organizations whose members are mostly underpaid and overworked. The families 
are certainly not rich. Therefore we support legal streaming and download and 
make the effort to remove unauthorized copies.

I hope this helps!
Pip Chodorov





> On Apr 19, 2020, at 2:23 AM, jaime cleeland <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> It further promoted a discussion with the Australian filmmaker Peter Tammer.  
> Who then emailed me this.  Please read below and feel free 
> to add your opinions.
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Peter Tammer <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> 
> 
> Now here's my argument: one reason these films are being withdrawn from 
> YouTube and other sources is that the estates of the artists are claiming 
> them as "property", the same way paintings and sculptures gain value in 
> monetary terms, whereas novels by great writers of the past and music 
> compositions by the great composers, are free to everyone, except where 
> performance, recordings and recording rights come into play. In the case of 
> classical music, novels, poetry, etc... these great works are not denied to 
> lovers of the arts.
> 
> But in the visual art world, only the rich, or richly endowed museums, can 
> hoard the work and deny access to the greater part of humanity. Including us 
> who value the work for its own intrinsic value and not as property to be 
> bought and sold.
> 
> PT

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