On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:15:12 +1000 Jochen Schroeder <[email protected]> said:
> On 08/28/09 16:09, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:35:22 -0300 Wido <[email protected]> said: > > > > > kind of. This is for my laptop, so i can't do that (no proxy at home), > > > that is why i suggested something more "dynamic" > > > > this is in general a problem with the environment-variable method. env vars > > are sticky and are inherited from parent processes. chaining it in e will > > not change any apps u ran until they are closed and re-opened to re-inherit > > the parent env. this is something that needs to be much more linked to > > things like network-manager and network profiels, based on where you > > connect, either the network tells you your configuration, does transparent > > proxies so networks look all the same, or your app/daemon that handles > > network connecting and those configs/profiles turns such a feature on and > > off based on the network being used AND all apps that would use a proxy > > would dynamically follow such a change (via dbus maybe?) (ie query dbus for > > current proxy config then listen for proxy change singals). > > > > in general some generic "set up env vars" module would be useful - but not > > really for proxy handling as the above wouldnt work there. this is a problem > > to be solved some other way. (HTTP_PROXY env var is old and from the days > > before machines moved from one network to another - they were attached to > > one and fixed) > > > > I think proxy configuration should live in network configuration. IIRC > there's an outstanding bug for network-manager to do proxy configuration > depending on network. So if E should do it I think it should be in exalt > and you should be able to define a different proxy for different > networks. I agree that proxies are a pain in the ass, even worse > some programs have their own proxy configuration, which makes it even > more annoying when you move networks. agreed totally. that's why transparent proxies are the right way to go if you must have them. they sit on the network and quietly do their job. not app or os has to configure anything. users dont need to know nor care. its a very low-cost IT solution (low cost in IT maintenance) compared to manual config of the 1, or more instances of the config per machine. proxy config is a facet of network config and absolutely should live there. agreed. > > > 2009/8/28 Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]> > > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:05:35 -0300 Wido <[email protected]> said: > > > > > > > > > first, i don't have control on the proxy. Second, big company, lots of > > > > > country's, lots of proxys (even 2 where i am). So you can choose which > > > > one > > > > > you prefer > > > > > i still think it sucks, but is out of my limits. > > > > > > > > in general iu agree - proxies suck. a transparent proxy tho means u can > > > > enforce > > > > one on your network and not need anyone to configure anything. much > > > > lower IT > > > > overhead. forcing everyy machine to configure it to me says bad IT > > > > people (unless you have maybe 5 or fewer machines - at which point it's > > > > such a small > > > > company you dont need a proxy etc.) :) > > > > > > > > but it's in your startup scripts (~/.xsession etc.) or .bashrc etc. > > > > etc. that > > > > you set your environment up for your user. :) yes e could do it - but it > > > > doesnt > > > > have such a feature currently :) > > > > > > > > > Gustavo, i'm not a coder, although i know some C and some python. I'll > > > > try > > > > > to do as you told me, really appreciate it!!! > > > > > > > > > > 2009/8/27 Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:58:20 -0300 Wido <[email protected]> said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > i've tryed Robin's tip and it doesn't works either. > > > > > > > Raster, I don't like non-transparent proxys and I know E doesn't > > > > > > > has > > > > a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > if you have a proxy, and otherwise, http (https) is blocked without > > > > using > > > > > > the > > > > > > proxy.. then what's the point of it being non-transparent? either u > > > > > > use proxy > > > > > > or it doesn't work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > of things (hey, i love it anyway), that is why i suggested > > > > > > > something > > > > like > > > > > > > that. IMO, kde has a nice approach on several ways to do > > > > > > that....although, > > > > > > > they don't work that nice (at least, for me) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/8/22 Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:11:19 -0300 Wido <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i haven't done exactly that, but my guess is that everithing > > > > > > > > > in /etc/environment is going to be sourced by bash (which i > > > > > > > > > use) and > > > > > > thus, > > > > > > > > > "sourced" by e. I'll try it anyway on my work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway, wouldn't be nice to have something like that? i mean, > > > > > > > > > i > > > > guess > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > and more cool stuff may be comming and something as a proxy > > > > setting > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be something normal in any desktop by this days (gnome, kde > > > > > > > > > and > > > > xfce > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > least have it) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > non-transparent proxies imho are broken proxies, if that is the > > > > only > > > > > > way to > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > a connection. (if proxy is optional - that's another matter). as > > > > for > > > > > > proxy > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > you can set HTTP_PROXY in your system environmewnt, personal > > > > bashrc, > > > > > > > > profile or > > > > > > > > whatever you please. no e doesn't have any settings for it. it > > > > doesn't > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > lot of things :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > > > > > > -------------- > > > > > > > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Wido > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports > > > > > > > 2008 > > > > > > 30-Day > > > > > > > trial. 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