It would appear that on Feb 20, Carsten Haitzler did say: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:16:18 -0500 "Joe(theWordy)Philbrook" <[email protected]> > said: > > > Well thanks for the quick response Carston. But as I said > > I "_TRIED_" to use the scaling option. But I'm not sure I > > understand the effect that any particular setting in the > > gui tool is supposed to have... > > 1. go to advanced. > 2. enable "custom scaling factor" > 3. change "personal scaling factor". > > the minumum and maximum sliders will limit the actual effect of the > personal scaling factor to within these values.
Well alrighty then... that's clear enough I guess... > > Actually I doubt I'd be happy with dpi based scaling solutions anyway. > > IF they worked wouldn't they also make all my already large print > > application settings (like Konsole font sizes) become even BIGGER??? > > no. e's scaling is its own. it has nothing to do with gtk or qt - it does > affect elementary though - but elementary will then match e's scaling and > look like it fits :) e can caluclate the scaling factor it from dpi, > leave it alone (leave at 1.0) or take a personal scaling factor you > choose (and it will limit auto and manual scaling values between min and > max scale values). OK so scaling isn't supposed to do what I thought... It's actually supposed to do what I want?!? What's "elementary" I might ask??? > > > Incidentally I don't really think my font size needs are overly large. > > I mean If I use the kernel option vga=normal the default font size on > > the virtual consoles (such as you likely get with <ctrl>+<alt>+<Fkey>) > > are always just about right. I note: that before gui designers decided > > that everyone should have the vision of a hawk this was a "NORMAL" text > > size...) > > that depends on the size of your monitor. 80x25 chars on a 10" netbook is > vastly different to my 27" desktop. > > nb - a font that size would just offend me so badly i'd instantly use > some other software :) just out of the principle of wasting my screen > space so badly! :) > > remember - the point here is that 1 size does NOT fit all. where u think > a totally outrageously massive font is good - i think it wastes my screen > and time as i now have to scroll all day. the scale settings are there to > scale not just to a dpi - but to adjust for a users sight and sizing > preferences. really dpi is a misnoma. it's wrong to scale to dpi. you > need to scale to VISUAL size. dpi is simply the physical size. a 50" > screen is the same visual size as a 25" screen - if its 2x as far away, > but its dpi is half of the 25" screen. you'd want the same scaling > factor on both. it depends on dpi AND how far it is from you AND on your > visual acuity. the machine can only perhaps figure out DPI based on > monitor ddc info and resolution. the rest is unknown, thus a scaling > factor for users to set. :) Now I'm frightened... that actually made sense to me! So since my desktop's current monitor is only 17" it makes sense that if vga=normal is actually forcing an 80x25 full screen font that is actually larger on a larger monitor then, yeah I can see how it might look wasteful on a monitor that's half again larger than mine. Add to that that it's about one and a half arms lengths away... > > I was really hoping that somewhere there was a configuration option to > > select such things as what fonts are used in the menus, and pop-up gui > > tools... > > there is - scale settings. everything scales that is set to. of course > if you sue some other theme or a distribution and packages that use an > altered theme - your mileage will vary. the default tags elements > properly. And "that" as it turns out explains my inconclusive results when I tried to use scaling the first time. As it happens I had previously lamented that I couldn't seem to use the keyboard to answer pop-up confirmations such as the one for the logout function. And some kind hearted sole recommended the "detour" theme because with it I could see a highlighting around the default button, change it with tab, and push the selected button with enter... It turns out that the only part of that that detour did, which the default theme didn't was the highlighting of the currently selected choice. AND it seems that it was this theme that prevented scaling from affecting the menu fonts etc... But now that my fingers expect "<ctrl>+<alt>+<del> <tab> <enter>" to do it I don't really NEED to see which choice is highlighted anymore... Thanks for spending so much of your time explaining it to me. -- | ^^^ ^^^ | <O> <O> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <<[email protected]>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
