On Sunday, 25 December 2005, at 21:02:05 (+0100), Michel Briand wrote: > - it's evident but it's better said than not : This Program Is > Designed With Users In Mind, it's not your little toy, even if > Raster as it's creator, you and all contributors own the > intellectual property, Open Sourcing it makes the software the > property of Users ;).
Bullshit. Don't think for a second that someone being nice enough to make their work available to you under an open source license gives you some kind of entitlement. It's a gift. You get it as is. If you want something changed, you do it yourself, or you ask nicely and realize that you may be refused. But it is in no way your property. > That's what I mean when I said "many Open Source projects are > suffering"... That's the Great Concept, IMHO, of Richard > Stallman. You give the software and no one can say "I own it". The > main focus becomes : how to do things that benefits to the users. Richard Stallman is a nutcase, and we couldn't possibly care less what his opinion is on software ownership. We don't use the GPL in case you hadn't noticed. You own your changes and contributions to the software, and NOTHING MORE. If you haven't helped out, you own jack shit. > - software releases should be made clear and as much as possible, > straightforward for users to download, build and install. But not > the least: to migrate without burden. This means, I think, a smart > way to migrate from e16.7 to e16.8+ config files... If you were paying for this software, I'd agree with you. But you're not. So take what you can get or help out. Either way, the opinion of someone who does not contribute is worth about as much as the paper it's written on. And since we don't use paper around here, that leaves you in quite a pickle. > - configuration management should identify that there is a change in > config file syntax and/or structure. I.e. CVS should help us to > signal these changes and package management systems should map > this. I can greatly help you and all the Ecommunity. I've strong > experience in SCM at work. Mainly in "industry class" managed > projects... Great. So contribute something. Put your money where your mouth is. So far all we've heard is a lot of talk. Oh, and for the record, all these changes WERE developed, signaled, and coordinated in CVS. I guess you weren't paying attention. > Yes, we agree that E is a critical application, that's a way for us > to better distinguish it from non-critical application. For example > applications that don't creates user annoyance when they don't work > or applications that can easyly be updated without notice to user. If E is a critical application for you, it's your responsibility to keep up with changes. If you're not prepared to get help during an upgrade, you have two choices: Keep up, or Don't upgrade. That's it. And whichever one you choose is your responsibility. > an application that I don't consider critical and that you would > upgrade without the above concerns, is for example a computer script > language interpreter, well designed, but not as well as it's > designer would like to... and that's get update with a big change > in the language syntax. What would think users that have already > written tons of scripts ? Clearly your reasoning is skewed. It's far more important for scripting languages to deal with backward compatibility than it is for window managers. > That's said in the battle between Light & Darkness, between Law and > Chaos, we don't want either side to win. Seek. Professional. Help. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Three six nine, the goose drank wine; the monkey chewed tobacco on the street car line. The line broke, the monkey got choked, and they all went to heaven in a little row boat." -- Nursery Rhyme ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
