> > Gentoo is for the person who wants to claim his system is 'fastest
> > 'cuz he compiled everything himself'. Gentoo, IMNSHO, is only for
> > people with wide-band internet connections and lots of time to waste
> > compiling everything per someone else's emerge scripts.
> Can't argue with you there.
But I can :)
Certainly, there are a lot of people who only use gentoo for the speed bonuses
of specially targetted code, but they suck - Most people who know what they're
doing don't care for that, it's just that gentoo is the current fad distro, so
all the stoopid n00bs / 1337 haXX0rz jumped onto it.
I must say that it does *feel* faster, but I'd guess that that's because I've
only installed what I want, rather than all the bloat that comes with most
desktop distros.
Also, I'm on dialup, and it works fine. The whole "time to waste" seems odd too
- what does *your* computer do while you sleep? I would guess that for most
people, not something too productive...
> compiling everything per someone else's emerge scripts
So do you use someone else's ./configure && make && make install, or do you do
things your own way? :p Portage is basically C/M/MI, but with dependancy
tracking built in (and some other odd bits)
> As it happens, I encounter far more obnoxious Gentoo users these days
> than I do Slackware users.
As above, slack is seen as old, and gentoo is fashionable. Hence, idiots.
That's what happens to every over-hyped project. Just hype some other distro,
and watch people flock to that instead... Point:
Once the Immense Shiny Thing that is E17 is released, and all the shiny thing
collectors flock to it, what are you going to do about the reputation of E
being no more than a shiny toy for n00bs?
> Runlevels
Coming from SuSE / Mandrake / RedHat, I'm not sure of how BSD does boot
scripts, but I must say that Gentoo handles them very nicely (Yeah, I'm looking
into BSD to see how that works already...)
The runlevels are more meta-runlevels, as there's no link to init - and they're
named, so you can do things like "rc offline" to go into the "offline"
runlevel, which figures service dependancies (calculated dependancies are much
nicer than giving each /etc/rc/ link a number and hoping you got them in the
right order) and takes down the network-dependant things. Then rc-update to
add/remove services from runlevels, and rc-status to show which services are
active.
> RPM, grrr
portage seems much easier to hack / fix than RPM - eg, Rather than wait for a
new .rpm to be released, you can download the current source tarball, and just
change the checksums in the portage database. Having the plain-text database
and the large program tarballs as separate things is very convenient - Portage
and the runlevel implementation are my main reasons for going gentoo :) (I have
yet to try apt though; Most of my software comes from linux magazine
coverdisks, and they seem to have not supplied debian ISOs recently :( I would
try debian when they do though, as I have some spare boxen...)
Also, what was with the IRC title of "abusing the gentoo intellect since
<date>"? I'm all in favour of flaming n00bs out of the deep-end, but people
claiming that the distro is directly linked to stupidity are no better than the
n00bs claiming that it's directly liked to speed :/
-- Shish
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