On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 02:01:22PM -0800, Jon Smirl wrote:
> --- Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Notice that the DRI drivers don't do anything like
> > mode setting and
> > such, they depend on the X drivers for that. So if
> > you take away the X
> > driver, you will not be able to get anything
> > outputed on your monitor.
> > Unless you use the fbdev drivers for example.
> 
> It would be simple to lift the mode setting and
> hardware identification code out of the fb drivers and
> add it to the DRM kernel driver.  If you were still
> using the 2D drivers the new code in DRM would just be
> ignored. 

Sure, there was a proposal to merge the fbdev and drm drivers, but the
DRI people did not like it. One of the reasons being that fbdev is linux
specific and the drm builds for more than 1 os, if i remember well.

There is also DirectFB, which sits on top of fbdev, and has an X server
running on top of it, Not DRI enabled i think though.

> > Did you investigate the Berlin project, which, if i
> > am not wrong, uses
> > OpenGL for drawing, and aims to be a X
> > reemplacement. Not that it is
> > anything near that point though.


> I'm not really looking for an X alternative.  I was
> just thinking about how to improve X over the next
> five to ten years. Both the Mac and Windows Longhorn
> are using new 3D enabled GUIs. This is more of a
> response to these new GUIs.

I think you should join the discution about XFree86 5.0 when it happens.

> The goal would be to slowly transform the guts of X
> into something designed for 3D hardware instead of
> what we have now. This would be done such that no
> existing X apps would notice the changes.  Moore's law
> means that everyone is going to have super 3D hardware
> in a couple of years.

Even Embeded or handheld systems ? And anyway, the way you do 2D and 3D
in hardware is somewhat different, and most hardware has special stuff
for 2D or something such.

> Without starting starting to think about 3D now, what
> will Linux's response to Longhorn be when it ships in
> a year or two?

Also, before you speak about unifying the 2D and 3D drivers
you need to look at how a 3D desktop would work.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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