> On 6 Mar 2025, at 16:39, Alessandro Vesely <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On 06/03/2025 14:44, Laura Atkins wrote:
>>> On 6 Mar 2025, at 12:45, Seth Blank <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> On 05/03/2025 03:34, Douglas Foster wrote:
>>>> But it is an IETF problem because IETF is a significant implementer of the 
>>>> technology, and fully capable of either building a custom solution or 
>>>> motivating a vendor to do so.    Not only has it not done so, it has not 
>>>> used DMARC to protect its lists from the most conspicuous form of 
>>>> impersonation, as demonstrated by a white-hat research attack.
>>> 
>>> Rejecting on p=reject should be a no-brainer for a mailing list.
>> 
>> Most lists, including this one, decided to rewrite the from address rather 
>> than reject users behind a p=reject.
> 
> 
> They are two unrelated operations that serve different purposes.
> 
> Rewriting the From: address before forwarding is useful to avoid 
> DMARC-produced rejects at the subscriber's MX.
> 
> Enforcing DMARC by a mailing list is useful to avoid impersonation of 
> valimail's users, since valimail has p=reject.

Yes. I understand how DMARC works. I misunderstood Seth’s comment. 

I do appreciate the decisions that the IETF made that makes it possible to find 
individuals in the archives by searching for a per-sender unique address. Other 
lists have basically made it impossible to find “that post written by joe” 

laura 

> While most "generic" MTAs cannot impose to their users to not receive 
> forwarded messages, a mailing list can well require that posters use their 
> subscriber address.  For example, this list[*] has a "Manage Subscription" 
> menu which contains a form to "change the email used for this subscription".  
> In what case would a post arrive indirectly instead?
> 
> 
> Best
> Ale
> -- 
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> [*] https://mailman3.ietf.org/mailman3/lists/dmarc.ietf.org/
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