If you commit your changes (I presume you have) I'll take a look.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 2:04 PM Ethan C<[email protected]> wrote:
After disabling the pasteboard, the app now builds and links.
However, only the miniwindow shows up, and it complains about not
being able to find its resources. I don't know the GNUstep
resource system well so some help would be appreciated.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 10:10 Ethan C<[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Patrick, Greg!
Hi everyone,
I have written a GNUmakefile. The main obstacle is the
pasteboard functionality.
GNUstep implements the OpenStep/pre-10.5 OSX pasteboard (see
the GNUstep docs
<https://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/Developer/Gui/Reference/NSPasteboard.html>
and the Apple docs
<https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/CopyandPaste/CopyandPaste.html>);
I have no idea how it integrates with the system's clipboards.
This pasteboard contains a single item, which may have
multiple representations.
Modern macOS implements the post-10.6 OSX pasteboard (see the
Apple docs
<https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/PasteboardGuide106/Introduction/Introduction.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40008099>
- "Pasteboard Concepts" is the most important part), and
OpenOutliner expects this to work. This pasteboard is a list
of items (for example, if you copy a selection of a webpage
which contains an image it should put a rich text and an image
onto the pasteboard), each of which may have multiple
representations. Additionally, it starts using Uniform Type
Identifiers (UTIs) in order to refer to types rather than use
the old pasteboard type strings (at least in 10.6 those old
strings were still supported but were deprecated).
It looks kind of complicated to implement the new pasteboard
API, so maybe we could try porting OpenOutliner to the old
pasteboard API or temporarily disabling all the features which
need the pasteboard. Do any of you have opinions on this?
The Uniform Type Identifiers framework, part of
LaunchServices, seems to be implemented by Boron so we could
probably do that. (However, that would make gnustep-gui depend
on Boron, which may or may not be wanted.) We might want to
implement in Boron the new Uniform Type Identifiers framework
<https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uniformtypeidentifiers?language=objc>
introduced in macOS 11 Big Sur, which is object-oriented (UTIs
are of type `UTType*` rather than `NSString*`, and it provides
an Objective-C API). Although OpenOutliner doesn't use the new
UTI APIs, it would be useful to implement in case newer apps
need it, and regardless it seems to be a cleaner API.
Thanks,
Ethan
On 4/25/25 08:01, Gregory Casamento wrote:
Ethan,
Mine is gcasa. I would like to help a little if I can. Also,
expanding libs-xcode, if it needs it, to handle it.
Yours, GC
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 4:11 AM Patrick Cardona
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-04-24 18:50:21 +0200 Ethan C
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Ethan,
> I started on the porting at
https://github.com/ethanc8/OpenOutliner.
Great!
> You can
> grep for "FIXME-GNUstep" for the things that don't work
yet (the whole thing
> doesn't compile yet). If you give me your GitHub
username I can give you
> commit access to my fork.
Mine is: pcardona34
>
> On 4/24/25 08:14, Patrick Cardona wrote:
>> Hello Ethan,
>
>> Thanks for this mention. I shall look at this.
>
>> On 2025-04-24 04:57:47 +0200 Ethan C
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Hi everyone,
>
>>> David Chisnall recently mentioned on Lobsters
>>>
<https://lobste.rs/s/btjtkr/what_software_do_you_dream_about_do_not#c_i2m53u>
>>> a clone of OmniOutliner 3 he wrote in 2017, and said
it would be easily
>>> portable. Its source is on GitHub
>>><https://github.com/davidchisnall/OpenOutliner> if
you want to look at it.
>>> From the README it looks like a decently complex
application with lots
>>> of functionality, so it could be quite useful to port
it. See also Liam
>>> Proven's comment about why he uses outliners
>>>
<https://lobste.rs/s/btjtkr/what_software_do_you_dream_about_do_not#c_owdlc8>
>>> to get an idea of what outliner users would want. I
might take up this at
>>> some point, but I doubt it as I am quite busy and
have too many side
>>> projects already :)
>
>>> Thanks,
>
>>> Ethan Charoenpitaks
>
>
>
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