09.04.2018, 16:51, "Fanda Vacek" <fanda.va...@volny.cz>: > On 04/06/2018 08:35 PM, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: >> 06.04.2018, 21:18, "Aleksey Kontsevich" <tantr...@ya.ru>: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Only one argument. >>> >>>> I don't see any point in moving this to QtProject as we don't have >>>> Sailfish OS platform upstreamed. >>> Just let's not miss the moment when it become upstreamed. :-) Things move >>> very fast recent days. Rostelecom and Russian universities make much effort >>> to promote and advance it. Since it is the only mobile OS certified by FSS, >>> and only approved by government - it will be the primary OS applications >>> will be developed for in government and corporate sectors where security is >>> a corner stone. It is sales hit in Russia currently among civilian users >>> (https://buyon.ru/1311520/inoi-r7/) >> Really? Almost nobody is aware of its existence, even in IT circles, and >> the only device can be bought in one place. AFAIK it has no presence in >> mobile shops > > You can buy Sony Xperia X and install SailfishOS X on it, I did it this > way. Sony Xperia XA2 port is on the way.
https://shop.jolla.com/ says "Sorry, not available in your country" > >>> and become upstreamed very fast with and like Russia become upstreamed >>> already and become much more developed in nearest future. >>> >>> Or You mean upstreamed in QtProject? :-) Let's make it upstream then! :-) >>> >>> Agree with the rest. >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Aleksey >>> Linked in https://www.linkedin.com/in/alekseykontsevich >>> >>> 06.04.2018, 18:40, "Alexander Akulich" <akulichalexan...@gmail.com>: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I highly doubt that it can be done as a part of GSoC and I don't see >>>> any point in moving this to QtProject as we don't have Sailfish OS >>>> platform upstreamed. We just need this style to make QQC2 applications >>>> look native on Sailfish OS. I think that we'll have to rely on >>>> closed-yet components and the style is not going to look nice with >>>> mocks. >>>> >>>> That said, I see a number of issues and I hope that we'll discuss and >>>> agree on some changes to the QQC2 API: >>>> 1) I would like to propose ComboDelegate — a pair of ComboBox and >>>> Label, combined in a platform-specific way (similar to CheckDelegate >>>> and RadioDelegate). >>>> 2) We also need a delegate to display a label and an associated value. >>>> It is named "DetailItem" in Silica, but I would agree to go with a >>>> name like ValueDelegate. >>>> 3) Yet another point is that we need to properly style delegate >>>> descriptions, so I want to propose "description" property at least for >>>> Combo, Radio and Switch delegates (we even don't have a 'buddy' >>>> property here, though it still would be very hacky to go in this way). >>>> >>>> Probably it makes sense to start another thread to discuss Qt Quick >>>> Controls 2 API, but I need at least three weeks to think and >>>> experiment with what we have right now. :-) >>>> >>>> My work is available at >>>> https://git.merproject.org/Kaffeine/qtsilicastyle (compatible with Qt >>>> 5.9 and 5.10), but I don't think that it can be interesting for anyone >>>> in its current shape. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 4:11 PM, Alexey Andreyev >>>> <yetanotherandre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Got it, thank you, Mitch! :) >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I have contacted Jolla devs, got answer: >>>>> >>>>>> Providing Sailfish support for Qt Quick Controls 2 would definitely >>>>>> be >>>>>> valuable. Sailfish OS cannot build app ecosystem alone, and >>>>>> improving the >>>>>> cross-platform story would help us getting Qt app contributions from >>>>>> other >>>>>> platforms, and help 3rd party developers target multiple platforms >>>>>> like >>>>>> Android and iOS with the same code base. >>>>>> You are free to use what license you choose, but I would recommend >>>>>> something permissive like BSD3 or LGPL2, which we also use in >>>>>> Sailfish OS >>>>>> open source side >>>>> Silica Componets source is not public, yes :( But I've got device >>>>> where I >>>>> have all up-to-date qml files and I'm it as hint. >>>>> >>>>> I've also played to run armv7h binaries from device repos (rpm >>>>> packages) on >>>>> archlinuxarm (wrote PKGBUILDs) with all the deps and some hacky qt5 >>>>> linkage >>>>> address patching for .so lib, it staring and not crashing but asking >>>>> for >>>>> more deps yet (like image resources deps, so work in progress) >>>>> >>>>> Alexander Akulich (Kaffeine) from Open Mobile Platform is helping me >>>>> a lot >>>>> too, he recently created: >>>>> >>>>> https://git.merproject.org/Kaffeine/qtsilicastyle >>>>> >>>>> So I'm going to contribute there. >>>>> >>>>> For now current state is: >>>>> >>>>> 5.10 private API chaged compating to 5.9: >>>>> >>>>> https://github.com/qt/qtquickcontrols2/commit/b18b6375d170ce02dc5a627bfb69ca49046ee05c#diff-7467cf01ad998520d6d9d2995867e8e2 >>>>> >>>>> Alexander is testing with 5.9 LTS on SailfishOS >>>>> and me with archlinuxarm 5.10 >>>>> so I'm thinking now how to provide better compabilty for both :) >>>>> >>>>> looks like #ifdef approarch is not helping yet, should investigate >>>>> more time >>>>> >>>>> 2018-04-06 15:47 GMT+03:00 Mitch Curtis <mitch.cur...@qt.io>: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi. >>>>>> >>>>>> We think this would be best in a repo outside of >>>>>> qtquickcontrols2.git. >>>>>> >>>>>> The process for creating a playground repo is documented here: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://wiki.qt.io/Creating_a_new_module_or_tool_for_Qt#Getting_started_with_new_ideas_on_Qt_Project.27s_Playground. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you discussed this project with the Sailfish devs, by the way? >>>>>> Perhaps they would be interested in integrating your efforts >>>>>> upstream. >>>>>> >>>>>> One potential problem I see is that it seems that the source code is >>>>>> not >>>>>> public: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://together.jolla.com/question/6780/request-sourcecode-for-silica-core-components/ >>>>>> >>>>>> The closest thing is this repo, which doesn’t seem to be complete: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://github.com/dm8tbr/sailfishsilica-qt5 >>>>>> >>>>>> How do you plan on implementing the style in light of this? >>>>>> >>>>>> Speaking for myself: I would be happy to answer any questions you >>>>>> may have >>>>>> with regards to implementing a Controls 2 style, but I don’t think I >>>>>> can put >>>>>> aside enough time to be a mentor for this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Alexey Andreyev [mailto:yetanotherandre...@gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2018 2:14 PM >>>>>> To: Aleksey Kontsevich <tantr...@ya.ru> >>>>>> Cc: Mitch Curtis <mitch.cur...@qt.io>; development@qt-project.org >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Development] [Google Summer of Code] [Project Ideas] Qt >>>>>> Quick Controls 2 Sailfish Silica Style >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Aleksey Kontsevich! Thank you for your support, I do agree that >>>>>> Sailfish OS is receiving a huge contribution from Russian speaking >>>>>> developers and focusing on other local markets too. There's also >>>>>> related >>>>>> AsteroidOS community about smartwatches. They have a demo [1] >>>>>> >>>>>> Talking about popularity: from my point of view, while Microsoft is >>>>>> providing their Metro unified look for desktop and Intel-based >>>>>> tablets (and >>>>>> Xbox) for example, looks like they do not have any plans for new >>>>>> mobile >>>>>> devices (I mean arm-based) to provide. While Sailfish OS is mobile >>>>>> OS with >>>>>> GSM-stack support for real arm-based systems. [1] Correct me if I'm >>>>>> wrong, I >>>>>> do not want to mislead anyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mitch Curtis, thank you for your feedback sincerely. I do understand >>>>>> your >>>>>> skepticism about yet another controls in mainline to support. (but I >>>>>> do not >>>>>> share this personally :) >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm new to qqc2 internals. I've cloned qtquickcontrols2 repo 5.10.1 >>>>>> brach >>>>>> (to play on my Arch Linux system). Dependency from some private APIs >>>>>> looks >>>>>> tricky for me at first glance. I'm trying to sort out. I'm not >>>>>> against >>>>>> providing silica style as some custom repo, the result I want to get >>>>>> is open >>>>>> source solution to run Qt application in my personal environment >>>>>> with native >>>>>> Silica look and feel. Will be happy to get any hints about basic >>>>>> repo draft >>>>>> in that case (should I look at Kirigami approach?) >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, as I wrote at my GSoC proposal, GSoC campaign is just money >>>>>> support, I love Silica style, using Sailfish OS for several years >>>>>> and can't >>>>>> stand that no one is willing to port it to modern QQC2 approach :) I >>>>>> guess >>>>>> it could radically change skepticism about qt quick controls >>>>>> approach in >>>>>> general from ios and android developers. >>>>>> >>>>>> [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd86KTs2Les >>>>>> >>>>>> [2]: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris >>>>>> >>>>>> 2018-04-03 13:38 GMT+03:00 Aleksey Kontsevich <tantr...@ya.ru>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, my 2 cents here: >>>>>> >>>>>> >The controls look nice, but my concern is how relevant the Silica >>>>>> style >>>>>> > is these days (in the context of how many people are developing >>>>>> apps for the >>>>>> >Sailfish OS). >>>>>> >>>>>> Sailfish OS become VERY popular in Russia and in Latin America, and >>>>>> for >>>>>> people who wants their data and communication be secure. Market in >>>>>> Russia >>>>>> growing very fast, Sailfish OS devices are hits of sales, leading >>>>>> universities created courses for Sailfish OS, government certified >>>>>> it for corporate and government use and since 2019 all mobile >>>>>> applications >>>>>> from national software list (government and corporate use) should >>>>>> work in >>>>>> Sailfish OS (according to import replacing law all applications >>>>>> should be >>>>>> Russian-native and secure). >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Aleksey >>>>>> Linked in https://www.linkedin.com/in/alekseykontsevich >>>>>> >>>>>> 03.04.2018, 13:13, "Mitch Curtis" <mitch.cur...@qt.io>: >>>>>> >>>>>> > Hi Alexey. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > The controls look nice, but my concern is how relevant the Silica >>>>>> style >>>>>> > is these days (in the context of how many people are developing >>>>>> apps for the >>>>>> > Sailfish OS). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > For each style we currently have, I would justify their inclusion >>>>>> into >>>>>> > qtquickcontrols2.git for the following reasons: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Default - extremely high performance at the cost of a very basic >>>>>> > appearance. Tries to be neutral in terms of looks. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Fusion - bridges the gap in terms of Desktop styling. An >>>>>> additional/more >>>>>> > specific point that I think it is important here is that the >>>>>> controls are >>>>>> > more compact (smaller) than any other pre-built style we offer >>>>>> (the Material >>>>>> > style has a dense variant now, but that’s still larger if I recall >>>>>> > correctly). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Imagine - puts power in the hands of designers, frees up time for >>>>>> > developers. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Material - very relevant in terms of Android market share. Looks >>>>>> really >>>>>> > nice; a good candidate for “non-native” cross-platform apps. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Universal - relevant in terms of Windows market share. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > As mentioned, I do think the Silica controls look nice, but that’s >>>>>> the >>>>>> > only justification I could think of for including them in >>>>>> > qtquickcontrols2.git. For each new style we add, the maintenance >>>>>> cost >>>>>> > increases, so this is something that we need to consider. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > What is your opinion on this? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Cheers. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > From: Alexey Andreyev [mailto:yetanotherandre...@gmail.com] >>>>>> > Sent: Friday, 23 March 2018 8:49 PM >>>>>> > To: Mitch Curtis <mitch.cur...@qt.io> >>>>>> > Cc: development@qt-project.org >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Development] [Google Summer of Code] [Project Ideas] >>>>>> Qt >>>>>> > Quick Controls 2 Sailfish Silica Style >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Thank you Mitch for the feedback! >>>>>> > I've also tried to record current controls on a real device: >>>>>> > https://youtu.be/T-qUZMuTGqw (hope not only 360p will be available >>>>>> soon) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > 2018-03-23 21:55 GMT+03:00 Alexey Andreyev >>>>>> > <yetanotherandre...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> >> Silica cheat sheet: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/component_cheatsheet.png >>>>>> >> Theme cheat sheet: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/theme_cheatsheet.png >>>>>> >> Icon reference: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/icon_reference.png >>>>>> >> code example: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> https://gist.github.com/jaymzznoori/a980314f8248e0a1e7904c29c88ecdf3 >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Youtube video with timestamp for platform-specific PulleyMenu >>>>>> element >>>>>> >> example: https://youtu.be/jByW7UNmbxU?t=11m38s >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> 2018-03-23 21:40 GMT+03:00 Mitch Curtis <mitch.cur...@qt.io>: >>>>>> >>> Hello. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Are there any screenshots of it? I read that entire page and the >>>>>> >>> Silica docs but couldn’t see anything. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Cheers. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> From: Development >>>>>> >>> [mailto:development-bounces+mitch.curtis=qt...@qt-project.org] >>>>>> On Behalf Of >>>>>> >>> Alexey Andreyev >>>>>> >>> Sent: Friday, 23 March 2018 5:39 PM >>>>>> >>> To: development@qt-project.org >>>>>> >>> Subject: [Development] [Google Summer of Code] [Project Ideas] Qt >>>>>> >>> Quick Controls 2 Sailfish Silica Style >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Hello! >>>>>> >>> My name is Alexey, what do you think about Silica Style for QQC2 >>>>>> as a >>>>>> >>> gsoc project? >>>>>> >>> I have some notes here: http://aa13q.ru/qqc2-silica-style-en/ >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> and want to create a proposal. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > , >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > Development mailing list >>>>>> > Development@qt-project.org >>>>>> > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Development mailing list >>>>> Development@qt-project.org >>>>> http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Development mailing list >>>> Development@qt-project.org >>>> http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Development mailing list >>> Development@qt-project.org >>> http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development > > _______________________________________________ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development -- Regards, Konstantin _______________________________________________ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
