Hi, Paul! Just a suggestion how to start (seeing all the opinions around):
You may start playing in some sandbox, creating a directory structure there, and pulling branches of tomcat code through the use of svn:externals property. It is called creating a view. Having done that, it will be more easy to show what benefits it provides, if any. 2007/10/18, Costin Manolache <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > -1 as well on switching to maven as default ( or back to many source tree > 'modules' ). > > But if you want to create a maven build file ( or a Makefile, or > eclipse/netbeans projects, etc :-) that builds tomcat - I personally don't > see a problem with that - as long as it doesn't require moving code around > and can play nicely with the current code layout and other build tools. I > think the 'official' way to build tomcat should remain ant ( at least until > any potential replacement has a large mileage ), but having other alternate > build tools can't hurt. > > I'm quite happy using mostly eclipse - I hardly ever use ant ( mostly to > generate jars and move code around ), the auto-recompilation and fast > run/debug/hot-replace in eclipse are saving me a lot of time, but if > something faster emerges I'll try it. > > Costin > -1 > > On 10/17/07, Filip Hanik - Dev Lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > lemme give you my feedback and some history > > > > Paul Shemansky wrote: > > > Dear Fellow Tomcat Developers, > > > > > > As you may have already noticed, I recently joined the ASF and the > > > Tomcat Developer's List. I have been a Maven 2 user since 2005, and I > > > previously used Ant for all of my projects. I suffered through many > > > hardships migrating from Ant to Maven, but in my humble opinion, it > > > was well worth it. I believe that the Tomcat build can certainly > > > benefit from some of the key features of Maven 2 mentioned below. > > > > > > It is not my intention to start a flame war between Ant and Maven > > > users, but merely to propose Maven 2 to this group, and respectfully > > > use this thread to discuss the advantages and disadvantages of > > > switching Tomcat's build process within the 6.0.x or possibly 7.0 > > > release schedule. Please use this thread to voice your opinion. Reply > > > to this message with any comments, and/or simple votes for or against > > > the migration to Maven 2. > > > > > > If by some odd chance you have never seen or heard about Maven 2, > > > please visit and explore : > > > http://maven.apache.org/ > > > > > > Key features that may be useful to us are : > > > > > > - The Standard Directory Layout - Specifically, multi-module builds. > > > This might make managing individual components easier for catalina, > > > coyote, naming, jsp/servlet api/implementation, connector, etc. > > > > > we just refactored everything from being "component/module" based into a > > single source tree. > > Everyone at the time agreed that it would make life easier, for me > > personally, it was a huge improvement. > > > - Model-Based builds - Automatic packaging for the individual modules. > > > > > not sure what this is, even though we have a single source tree, we do > > generate a list of jars. > > > - Dependency Management - Whether it is Apache or another third-party, > > > dependencies can all easily be plugged in. > > > > > we do that today, crude but working, ANT just adopted Ivy, a dependency > > manager for ANT. > > > - Distribution Management - Packaging and Deployment - Although Tomcat > > > has a structured distribution model with Ant, Maven could make this > > > easier with its assembly plugin. This also allows outside entities to > > > easily embed specific Tomcat components or customize the server to > > > suit their needs, (i.e. containers like Geronimo and JBoss, IDE > > > plugins for Eclipse or Tomcat.) > > > > > We currently have a "distribute to Maven repo" in place. > > The most current version is in the sandbox, that would allow us to > > publish to the central ASF repo with signed JAR's. > > This allows(will allow) other projects that do use Maven, to integrate > > tomcat into their system. > > You can glance over it here > > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/tomcat/sandbox/gdev6x/res/maven/ > > > > > - Project Site and Report Generation. - The Tomcat documentation site > > > may benefit greatly, but the Maven reporting plugins seem to be the > > > bigger win here. > > > > > > > > As a new ASF / Tomcat contributor, I am hesitant to step on toes. > > > But, I vote that we eat the dog food. > > and in that last statement is where I think the problem lies. I've > > attended a few hackathons where the coders at my table spent most of > > their day "eating the dog food". > > This has not really been the case with Tomcat, and especially Tomcat 6 > > simplified version of the structure and build. > > > > So, speaking for myself, I have yet not seen a benefit of Maven over our > > current ANT build. And I wouldn't be up for eating dog food. > > water and cracker, although simple, have sustained us very long. > > > > I'd vote against the proposal, maybe cause I'm just getting to old to > > spend hours with Maven, but you should collect feedback from the others > > as well, and maybe there is a majority one way or the other. > > > > Filip > > > > > > > > > This migration would certainly > > > be something that I could dedicate myself to, and I believe I could > > > make the transition seamless for all of us. I look forward to hearing > > > from you. Whether you vote Yes or No, I am still happy to be working > > > with you. :) > > > > > > Thank You, > > > Paul Shemansky > > > Maven 2 Evangelist / Open-Source Advocate / Java Code-Monkey > > > > > > P.S. - Maven has also been covered by the last few issues of JDJ, > > > which has certainly given it a lot more public exposure lately : > > > http://java.sys-con.com/read/393300.htm > > > http://java.sys-con.com/read/400116.htm > > > http://java.sys-con.com/read/419727.htm > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
