Glen,
>>Reading back this is starting to sound like a really negative thread.
That's not my intention. You guys are doing a great job on moving this
platform forward with great innovations. I guess I'm just frustrated as
to knowing where you're going and if I can be involved or not.
No Glen, it isn't negative, just realistic (lets make this clear... I do
the negative posts around here {grin}). In my 35 years of getting paid
to program I haven't yet had a boss or client that said "Take your time,
whenever it is ready will be fine!" (I have fantasies of finding this
client {lol}) If working at Intel means no due dates then where do I
send my resume!!
Some of us have clients who are waiting for a mobile Linux OS for
inclusion in real products, when we don't have dates to give our clients
they get nervous and want to jump ship to some other OS. Even to
products that look to be complete "vaporware" (such as Android for
mobile computing) because these products are quoting time frames for
release with lots of media fanfare that our client's read and believe!
So in my case I keep trying to calm the fears of my client and tell them
to be patient, but this wont last forever, and I can't really blame
them. (I get daily emails asking about an IVI BSP release, from one of
my clients!)
I guess what I am trying to say is that if the Moblin team doesn't have
to work towards due dates, that is wonderful for them, but the rest of
the world does and it makes it difficult for us (the Moblin fanatics) to
sell the idea of Moblin to the people who fund our development
activities without time frames.
So anything you can do to help us sell Moblin to the "bean counters" is
appreciated (recent developer posts to this forum have been great fodder
to forward on to the clients adn has given me a little breathing room).
Chris
Glen Gray wrote:
On 14 Apr 2009, at 15:02, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
Hi,
I understand the desire to want to know the release date, and I
totally agree
that the predictability of Fedora and co is very nice. Having said
that, this
is the first time we're doing this (well as a full self contained OS
stack rather
than an overlay like Moblin 1 was) and unfortunately that makes it a
bit unpredictable
for us; "when it's ready" would be the real right answer. For any
release but the first
one you can drop features if you're behind on the schedule etc, but
for the first time
you cannot because you have no fallback functionality yet ;-(
I can completely understand that. And for all RH/Fedora's organization
and transparency, they always slip a few weeks on each release. That's
to be expected for any large scale project I guess. And to be honest,
having release dates that don't slip isn't that important to me at the
moment. Having a view as to what's supposed to happen and where things
are going is what's important to me. Especially at this early stage.
Having absolutely no Roadmap or release schedule information
externally for the "community" (that I can see at least) I think is a
big mistake. We're not a community at the moment imo. From my
experience on the list, there's little involvement from outside intel
other than questions about if something is supported and why something
doesn't work. In my opinion we won't get to a community level until
there's transparency and involvement. Hopefully the linux foundation
change will help with that side of things and if that was one of the
reasons for making that move then I applaud Intel.
We need know what's going on to some extent. I'm not asking for iron
clad release schedules and don't expect anything like that. But at the
moment there's just nothing and that makes it very hard to justify
supporting this project as a road to our future platform. The only 2
pieces of information I know about are from press coverage and the odd
comment in emails answering questions.
1) The moblin2 platform is aiming at having a 2 second boot time
2) Having a clutter based UI by default over the temporary XFCE desktop.
I don't know how accurate that is and if it's actually official.
Reading back this is starting to sound like a really negative thread.
That's not my intention. You guys are doing a great job on moving this
platform forward with great innovations. I guess I'm just frustrated
as to knowing where you're going and if I can be involved or not.
Kind Regards,
--
Glen Gray <[email protected]> Digital Depot, Thomas Street
Software Engineering Manager Dublin 8, Ireland
Lincor Solutions Ltd. Ph: +353 (0) 1 4893682
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