Gary, I am not a native speaker, but I find your tone sarcastic. I kindly ask you to adjust it.
[My comments are inline.] On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 6:21 PM Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: > I should be able to unzip and build, NOT unzip and then scratch my head, > look for other files like zips and tars... There is no TAR anywhere. There is only the distribution ZIP containing `src.zip`, binary files (JARs) and so on. If you prefer `src` in a folder rather than a compressed file, we can make that happen. The only downside is those who download a distribution only for the JARs will also need to reserve disk space for sources too, hence why I put them in a compressed file. (This convention is practiced by JDK distributions too.) sigh, this whole dev process is > getting WORSE. > Unless you define what is worse, I cannot address it. And we want to spread sources in a buch of repos, bleh. I am the only one in the PMC that agrees with your points regarding mono-repo, and, together with Piotr, I am trying to find a way forward without breaking the repository. No decisions have been made yet. I kindly ask you to understand that everybody is trying to help with their best intentions. > All Apache and FOSS projects I've seen just have a src zip with a snapshot > repo minus some files, not some byzantine structure. > How is this nested zip mess HELPING users and lowering the bar to entry? > I can explain this. This is what https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/logging/log4j/2.19.0 looks like: apache-log4j-2.19.0-bin.tar.gz apache-log4j-2.19.0-bin.tar.gz.asc apache-log4j-2.19.0-bin.tar.gz.sha256 apache-log4j-2.19.0-bin.tar.gz.sha512 apache-log4j-2.19.0-bin.zip apache-log4j-2.19.0-bin.zip.asc apache-log4j-2.19.0-bin.zip.sha256 apache-log4j-2.19.0-bin.zip.sha512 apache-log4j-2.19.0-src.tar.gz apache-log4j-2.19.0-src.tar.gz.asc apache-log4j-2.19.0-src.tar.gz.sha256 apache-log4j-2.19.0-src.tar.gz.sha512 apache-log4j-2.19.0-src.zip apache-log4j-2.19.0-src.zip.asc apache-log4j-2.19.0-src.zip.sha256 apache-log4j-2.19.0-src.zip.sha512 This is what `log4j-tools/0.4.0` looks like: apache-log4j-tools-0.4.0.zip apache-log4j-tools-0.4.0.zip.asc apache-log4j-tools-0.4.0.zip.sha512 I think the latter is more self-explanatory, compact, and contains everything the former has. Why are all the ".githug" files even in the source zip file? > There are no `.githug` files. There is a `.github` folder. They are of particular importance since the reusable CI workflows are part of the release. They are code used by other projects. They will be versioned and used by referring to their version. `src.zip` contains *everything* tracked by Git that is responsible for making that release happen. It is not a sparse checkout of the actual repository. That said, Log4j always had it; go and download any `apache-log4j-*-src.{zip,tar.gz}` of your liking. Hence I am not able to understand your objection for this particular occasion.
