To expand on that, it feels like the questions are around how prescriptive
we are going to be and how much support we'll provide? (ex. Do we provide a
project CLAUDE.md that influences things like JavaDoc brevity?)

On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 10:27 PM Caleb Rackliffe <[email protected]>
wrote:

> > All public prose must be human authored. This includes inline comments,
> docs, posts to Jira etc.
>
> I agree with this if by "authored" we mean "authored or closely audited
> for brevity and correctness". The value of verbose inline documentation in
> our world is certainly declining, and all but the most necessary comments
> risk confusing LLM comprehension of the codebase rather than enhancing it.
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 9:13 PM guo Maxwell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> +1 on this suggestion.
>>
>> Restricted:
>>> - Core code changes made by LLM may only be proposed by contributors
>>> with demonstrated expertise
>>>     - Must have produced similar patches in size, scope and area
>>> unassisted and with minimal third-party guidance
>>> - Core code changes made by LLM require an additional reviewer
>>
>>
>> Besides, in light of this perspective, should we produce a list of module
>> maintainers? These maintainers could be PMC members or committers.
>>
>> Jon Haddad <[email protected]> 于2026年9月23日周三 03:03写道:
>>
>>> Agreed, Josh.
>>>
>>> Threatening to blindly -1 patches based on a hunch that someone used an
>>> LLM to work on it isn't productive. It's certainly not a door that should
>>> be opened, because it swings both ways. If people start -1'ing patches
>>> because of bitter feelings instead of technical reasoning, why would anyone
>>> want to contribute?
>>>
>>> I am -1 on the policy suggestion. This project is *struggling* to get
>>> things merged in.  The idea that we wouldn't take advantage of LLMs to
>>> write or review code doesn't make any sense to me at all.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 11:55 AM Josh McKenzie <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> to focus minds, I will remind everyone that the project rules permit
>>>> unilateral vetoes on contributions, and in the absence of any policy on the
>>>> matter that includes AI generated contributions.
>>>>
>>>> Personal opinion here, but this is a counter-productive way to open a
>>>> collaborative discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Since this is out here on thread, I'll take it upon myself to clarify
>>>> the official policy for anyone that's not aware:
>>>>
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/spaces/CASSANDRA/pages/158863606/Cassandra+Project+Governance
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - Code must not be committed while subject to an explicit -1 vote
>>>>    by a committer for clearly expressed and reasonable technical grounds
>>>>    - If code has been committed but not released, a -1 vote from a
>>>>    committer (that is not resolved by follow-up commits) can be reverted
>>>>    - If the proposer responds to the concerns of a -1 voter, and the
>>>>    -1 voter does not engage reasonably with the response, the -1 is 
>>>> rescinded
>>>>    - Committers should explicitly veto work *exceptionally rarely*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I read this as more nuanced than "project rules permit unilateral
>>>> vetoes on contributions".
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2026, at 6:27 AM, Benedict wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone. Let me preface this by saying that we need a policy on
>>>> this, and we will probably struggle to reach a consensus. So to focus
>>>> minds, I will remind everyone that the project rules permit unilateral
>>>> vetoes on contributions, and in the absence of any policy on the matter
>>>> that includes AI generated contributions.
>>>>
>>>> My proposal in brief is that LLM usage is
>>>>
>>>> =====
>>>> Encouraged:
>>>> - Reviewing and otherwise validating human-authored patches before
>>>> submission
>>>> - Debugging, diagnosing etc
>>>>
>>>> Permitted:
>>>> - Generating or modifying tests, scripts, tooling or any other non-user
>>>> facing changes
>>>> - Minor changes to human-authored patches that are carefully reviewed
>>>> by the author
>>>>
>>>> Restricted:
>>>> - Core code changes made by LLM may only be proposed by contributors
>>>> with demonstrated expertise
>>>>     - Must have produced similar patches in size, scope and area
>>>> unassisted and with minimal third-party guidance
>>>> - Core code changes made by LLM require an additional reviewer
>>>> - LLM review is not a substitute for human review, and must be used
>>>> only to augment a complete and independent human understanding of the 
>>>> patch.
>>>>
>>>> Prohibited:
>>>> - All public prose must be human authored. This includes inline
>>>> comments, docs, posts to Jira etc.
>>>>
>>>> All LLM generated changes MUST be disclosed:
>>>> - Outlined to any reviewer;
>>>> - Summarised in the commit message;
>>>> - Large blocks or files must be individually marked with some agreed
>>>> message like "created by <some AI>"
>>>> =====
>>>>
>>>> I will keep my argumentation brief.
>>>>
>>>> LLM generated changes:
>>>>     - Break the community and knowledge-building aspect of patch
>>>> review, since the contributor is not clearly learning from the feedback
>>>> process
>>>>     - Flips the asymmetry between author and reviewer/maintainer: it is
>>>> now cheaper to write than review or maintain
>>>>     - Does not demonstrate expertise, commitment or that they can or
>>>> will maintain the patch
>>>>
>>>> For these reasons, it should be expected that the person producing the
>>>> patch has already demonstrated their expertise and commitment by producing
>>>> and maintaining similar patches without the use of AI
>>>>
>>>> Authoring a patch results in deeper understanding. To offset the
>>>> reduced collective knowledge of LLM generated changes, and improve our
>>>> ability to confidently maintain it, we should expect changes to be more
>>>> widely socialised through an additional review.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, LLM comments are worse than no comment. An author must ensure
>>>> their reader's time is valued, by investing their own time crafting a
>>>> message with a proper understanding of its intended audience. LLMs may
>>>> assist in preparation, but must not produce the content itself.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe this fully accounts for all of the risks posed by AI
>>>> usage in the project, especially regarding maintainability of the codebase
>>>> and maintaining the community. But I hope this middle-ground policy will
>>>> prove to be acceptable to enough of the community.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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