At 9:00 PM +0200 1/13/09, Eddy Nigg wrote:
>On 01/13/2009 05:23 PM, Paul Hoffman:
>>>Useful yes, up to certain extend. If there is too much information in the 
>>>policy, it will start to be problematic.
>>
>>For whom?
>
>For Mozilla mostly.

We disagree here. I think it would be more problematic for Mozilla to be 
accused of having hard-to-find policy changes than to simply change the policy 
itself when needed.

>>Most CAs run businesses where written policies are the norm.
>
>Mozilla is not a CA.

I never said it was. I was talking about Mozilla's partners in the trust anchor 
pile, all of whom are CAs.

>>Where did Frank say, or even hint, that?
>
>Discussions here. Feel free to correct me (or even better Frank could get 
>involved a bit more to clarify a few things)

When you say that someone else said something, it is *your* responsibility to 
say where. "Here" is not a sufficient answer. Please point to a message. I say 
this because I have now (twice) re-read all of Frank's messages and I do not 
see him saying anything like you say he said.

>Feel free to suggest and have it implemented otherwise.

I have done so: Mozilla changes its inclusion policy, it informs everyone 
affected by the policy change, and gives them a period of time to start 
conforming. If a CA doesn't acknowledge that they conform, Mozilla pulls them 
from the trust anchor pile.

>I was stating the implemented informal approaches as I know them.

"Informal" is the operative word here. Many of us would prefer formal 
approaches.

>It's all within the realm of the formal policy,

... that says "we will do things informally".

>I did not suggest otherwise. I'm certain you can't point me to anything else 
>which would suggest otherwise either.

Yes, I can. You said: "I think that not every bit and byte must be listed in 
the policy, but by-laws may exists to assist the intend  of the policy."

>It's also what I think to be the correct approach. But you are free to differ 
>and propose a different approach (perhaps one which would pull a root 
>overnight without notifying the CA even).

I am suggesting exactly the opposite.
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