On May 10, 2018, at 06:47, Randell Jesup <rje...@jesup.org> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, at 12:41 AM, Mark Côté wrote: >>> How we might use blocking reviewers in our workflow is still open, but >>> it could be used for training up reviewers, in which case the trainee >>> would be a regular reviewer and the module peer/owner would be a >>> blocking reviewer. >> >> It's not uncommon for me to submit patches for review from multiple people >> where I require all reviewers to sign off on the patch, usually because I >> ask them to look at different parts of the patch. I don't think I have >> ever sent a patch to get review from more than one person with the >> intention of landing it if only one person OKs it. (I'd probably needinfo >> people to get that kind of feedback.) So ignoring potential new workflows >> like the training one you mention, I think I would exclusively use blocking >> reviewers. It's good to know that Phabricator will help me avoid >> accidentally landing patches when not all of my reviewers have signed off. > > Agreed... but it sounds like they're not quite sure how this will be > used. I'm concerned that developers may be confused and just as for > review by N people, not realizing it can be landed when one of them > r+'s. (Especially if the developer doesn't frequently use multiple > reviewers.) At minimum, if this how it works, there will been to be > clear communication about when to use this - or (better!) to switch the > default to blocking, and have the unusual/more-work-to-ask-for case be > any-of. > > Once in a blue moon I'll ask for a fast review from any of N people, > then cancel the r?'s once i have 1 r+. but this is really rare, and > mostly when there's a time deadline to land something ASAP (sec issue, > or to get in ahead of a merge date). 99% of the time when I ask for N > people, I need r+ from all of them. > > On the other side, I do know that the build peers (IIRC) us a shared > reviewing setup, where most bugs are thrown in a pool for any of them to > review. But that's not the normal workflow for any other group I know > of in Mozilla, at least in Firefox. (I don't know them all, though.) When you take a step back, I think you have to conclude that our current model of requesting reviews from *individuals* is not practical for the common case. The way our code governance model works is that groups of people (module members) are empowered to sign off on changes. But because existing review tooling (practically speaking) only allows assigning reviews to individuals (as opposed to a group consisting of module members), that’s what we do. I.e. tools are dictating sub-optimal workflows that don’t match our governance model. In the common case, I think group assignment is preferred. Maybe it assigns to an available person at submission time. But the submitter should not need to be burdened with picking an individual. (This picking requirement is especially hostile to new contributors who don’t know who to pick for review.) Phabricator has the concept of a normal “reviewer” and a “blocking reviewer.” “Blocking” means they must sign off before the review is marked as accepted. I think the world we’ll eventually get to is one where most reviews are assigned to groups (ideally automatically by mapping files changed to appropriate reviewers) as normal non-blocking reviewers in Phabricator. For special cases, we can assign individuals for review and/or set “blocking reviewers” so someone or a member of a group *must* sign off. The review submission tooling should make all of this turnkey - allowing people to easily opt in to the special case if warranted. But most review requirement policies should be codified so tools can apply/enforce them without human intervention. It’s worth noting that in a future world where the review tool isn’t constraining us to assigning reviews to individuals and where group assignment is the default, assignments to individuals may represent shortcomings in the distribution of expertise. I.e. if only one person is capable of performing a review, then we have a bus factor of 1 and there is a business continuity concern. Assigning reviews to groups - perhaps specialized groups like “dom experts” instead of the normal “dom peers” group - helps reinforce that reviewing - and the knowledge required to perform it - is a shared responsibility and isn’t limited to single individuals. This is another reason why I think it is a good idea to lean heavily towards group-based review over individual. Even if the group consists of a single person, a group reinforces that the responsibility is distributed. I think that once review submission doesn’t require submitters to choose reviewers and reviews magically end up on the plates of appropriate people, we’ll all look back at our current workflow and view it as primitive. _______________________________________________ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
