On Tue, Jul 05, 2016 at 04:42:09PM -0700, Gregory Szorc wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Ralph Giles <gi...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Gregory Szorc <g...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> >
> > > * `mach build binaries` (touch network/dns/DNS.cpp): 14.1s
> >
> > 24s here. So faster link times and significantly faster clobber times. I'm
> > sold!
> >
> > Any motherboard recommendations? If we want developers to use machines
> > like this, maintaining a current config in ServiceNow would probably
> > help.
> 
> 
> Until the ServiceNow catalog is updated...
> 
> The Lenovo ThinkStation P710 is a good starting point (
> http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/workstations/thinkstation/p-series/p710/).
> From the default config:
> 
> * Choose a 2 x E5-2637v4 or a 2 x E5-2643v4
> * Select at least 4 x 8 GB ECC memory sticks (for at least 32 GB)
> * Under "Non-RAID Hard Drives" select whatever works for you. I recommend a
> 512 GB SSD as the primary HD. Throw in more drives if you need them.
> 
> Should be ~$4400 for the 2xE5-2637v4 and ~$5600 for the 2xE5-2643v4
> (plus/minus a few hundred depending on configuration specific).
> 
> FWIW, I priced out similar specs for a HP Z640 and the markup on the CPUs
> is absurd (costs >$2000 more when fully configured). Lenovo's
> markup/pricing seems reasonable by comparison. Although I'm sure someone
> somewhere will sell the same thing for cheaper.
> 
> If you don't need the dual socket Xeons, go for an i7-6700K at the least. I
> got the
> http://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/cto-dynamic-kits--1/hp-envy-750se-windows-7-desktop-p5q80av-aba-1
> a few months ago and like it. At ~$1500 for an i7-6700K, 32 GB RAM, and a
> 512 GB SSD, the price was very reasonable compared to similar
> configurations at Dell, HP, others.
> 
> The just-released Broadwell-E processors with 6-10 cores are also nice
> (i7-6850K, i7-6900K). Although I haven't yet priced any of these out so I
> have no links to share. They should be <$2600 fully configured. That's a
> good price point between the i7-6700K and a dual socket Xeon. Although if
> you do lots of C++ compiling, you should get the dual socket Xeons (unless
> you have access to more cores in an office or a remote machine).

 The other week I built a machine with a 6800k, 32gb of ram, and a 2 tb
 hdd for $1525 cad so probably just under $1000 usd.  With just that
 machine I can do a 10 minute linux debug build.  For less than the
 price of the e3 machine quoted above I can buy 4 of those machines
 which I expect would produce build times under 5:00.

I believe with 32gb of ram there's enough fs cache disk performance
doesn't actually matter, but it might be worth investigating moving a
ssd to that machine at some point.

So I would tend to conclude Xeons are not a great deal unless you really
need to build for windows a lot before someone gets icecc working there.

Trev

> If you buy a machine today, watch out for Windows 7. The free Windows 10
> upgrade from Microsoft is ending soon. Try to get a Windows 10 Pro license
> out of the box. And, yes, you should use Windows 10 as your primary OS
> because that's what our users mostly use. I run Hyper-V under Windows 10
> and have at least 1 Linux VM running at all times. With 32 GB in the
> system, there's plenty of RAM to go around and Linux performance under the
> VM is excellent. It feels like I'm dual booting without the rebooting part.
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