I don't think anyone's proposing a name change right now.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Jason Porter <[email protected]>wrote: > I think I already gave my +1, if not, here it is. > > WRT the name. I'm worried about changing names now. Originally DeltaSpike > was going to be a temporary name and I think when we proposed DeltaSpike we > were anticipating being out of Incubation much sooner than now. As it > currently stands there have been many talks about DeltaSpike, it's in > stackoverflow, it ranks fairly high in Google, people know what it is and > understand it. If we switch names now I'm worried we'll confuse people > again. Plus we'll have to work on building up all the SEO all over again. > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:50 AM, John D. Ament <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Well, if that's the case it'll hopefully get rubber stamped. > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yea, seems this got changed only last week: > > > http://markmail.org/thread/vlzrdbewhfjbw3ca > > > > > > > > > Well, it doesn't hurt, and it's a good thing for the checklist for > > podling > > > prjoects in general. But I'm not sure if it's necessary in our case. > > Before > > > we started incubation, Shane (VP trademarks) and Jim (ASF president) > were > > > involved in the name search, amongst others :) > > > > > > LieGrue, > > > strub > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > From: John D. Ament <[email protected]> > > > >To: "[email protected]" < > > > [email protected]>; Mark Struberg < > [email protected] > > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 12:16 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an > Apache > > > Top Level Project > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm not sure that's the case (or maybe its just opinion?) > > > > > > > > > > > >Per this: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html > > > > > > > > > > > >Who needs this process? > > > >... > > > >Every Incubator Podling which wants to graduate from the Incubator and > > > become either a top level project or a sub project > > > >... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>PoddlingNameSearch is really an optional process which is only needed > > if > > > the poddling itself isn't aware of all the pitfalls with choosing a > name. > > > >>Many people involved in finding the current name (ShaneC, ShaneB, > Jim, > > > Pete, Jason, Gerhard, David, me, etc .. even some of the JBoss' own > legal > > > team) are well aware of the trademark implications we needed to take > care > > > of. > > > >> > > > >>Finding a halfways ok name was the main reason it took us almost 3 > > > months from the first talks until the final incubation attempt. I > > remember > > > it took us approx. 30 naming suggestions and a long time of review > before > > > we finally came up with the name 'DeltaSpike' as compromise ;) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>LieGrue, > > > >>strub > > > >> > > > >>>________________________________ > > > >>> From: John D. Ament <[email protected]> > > > >>>To: "[email protected]" < > > > [email protected]>; Mark Struberg < > [email protected] > > > > > > >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:31 AM > > > >> > > > >>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an > > Apache > > > Top Level Project > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>Mark, > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS. I'll go ahead and > > > enter it. I don't think this process existed when we entered > incubation. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>John > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>To come back to your fair points: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few > > of > > > your points: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>* DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike > > is > > > still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as > well. > > > So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year > nobody > > > came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a > > better > > > name. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>* committers > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we > > > shrank?) > > > >>>>This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been > > > very vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the > > > mailing list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to > > get a > > > few hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - > and > > > obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up > cannot > > > make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about > > > future contributions from each and everyone! > > > >>>>Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added > > > substantial contributions! > > > >>>> > > > >>>>The real question is the number of people who are active on a more > or > > > less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, > > per > > > >>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe > we > > > need > > > >>>>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct? > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public > because > > > there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do > better. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>LieGrue, > > > >>>>strub > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make > > sure > > > you force a page refresh) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > > > >>>>> From: John D. Ament <[email protected]> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> To: deltaspike <[email protected]>; Mark > > Struberg > > > <[email protected]> > > > >>>>> Cc: "[email protected]" < > > > [email protected]> > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an > > > Apache Top Level Project > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Mark, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom > > > yet. > > > >>>>> Maybe another month or two :-) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet > > per > > > the > > > >>>>> documentation on incubator.a.o > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g. > > > >>>>> > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH > > > >>>>> has > > > >>>>> no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote > > thread > > > to > > > >>>>> [email protected] to let them know we're thinking about it. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> However, most of my comments are around this section of > graduation: > > > >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I > > > don't > > > >>>>> believe we've done this too well. There are only three > developers > > I > > > see on > > > >>>>> the list that were not on > > > >>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we > > > now have > > > >>>>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we > > > shrank?) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to > > > graduate > > > >>>>> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, > > per > > > >>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe > we > > > need > > > >>>>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> John > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Hi John! > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial > > > committers > > > >>>>>> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the > > other. > > > Means > > > >>>>>> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from > > > the CODI > > > >>>>>> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from > > > either the > > > >>>>>> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my > > > opinion the > > > >>>>>> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be > happy > > > if there > > > >>>>>> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There > is > > > a pretty > > > >>>>>> stable set of 5+ regular committers. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a > break > > > because I > > > >>>>>> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are > > > short > > > >>>>>> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd > be > > > >>>>> happier > > > >>>>>> if we would improve our release rate). > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> LieGrue, > > > >>>>>> strub > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> >________________________________ > > > >>>>>> > From: John D. Ament <[email protected]> > > > >>>>>> >To: [email protected]; Mark Struberg < > > > >>>>>> [email protected]> > > > >>>>>> >Cc: deltaspike <[email protected]> > > > >>>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM > > > >>>>>> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to > an > > > Apache > > > >>>>>> Top Level Project > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> >Sorry, but -1 > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the > former > > > CODI > > > >>>>> team > > > >>>>>> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers > to > > > being a > > > >>>>>> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two > > > communities > > > >>>>>> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early > and > > > >>>>> often." > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a > > > single team > > > >>>>>> and work on becoming that single team. > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> >John > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg > > > >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> >Lords and Ladies. > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike > out > > > of > > > >>>>> the > > > >>>>>> Incubator and establishing it as TLP. > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it > > > >>>>>> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care > > > >>>>>> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll > because > > > >>>>> of > > > >>>>>> ${reason} > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally > > and > > > >>>>> forward > > > >>>>>> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once > this > > > is done, > > > >>>>>> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board > meeting. > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>LieGrue, > > > >>>>>> >>strub > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>--------------- > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report > > > >>>>>> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > > > >>>>>> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > > > >>>>>> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > > > >>>>>> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of > > > >>>>>> >>open-source software related to creating a set > > > >>>>>> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions > > > >>>>>> >>for distribution at no charge to the public. > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management > > > >>>>>> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike > > > >>>>> Project", > > > >>>>>> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the > > > >>>>>> >>Foundation; and be it further > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is > > > >>>>>> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source > > > >>>>>> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI > Extensions; > > > >>>>>> >>and be it further > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache > > > >>>>> DeltaSpike" be > > > >>>>>> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to > > > >>>>>> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair > > > >>>>>> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary > > > >>>>> responsibility > > > >>>>>> >>for management of the projects within the scope of > > > >>>>>> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it > > > further > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and > > > >>>>>> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the > > > >>>>>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project: > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org> > > > >>>>>> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org> > > > >>>>>> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> > > > >>>>>> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com> > > > >>>>>> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com> > > > >>>>>> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org > > > >>>>>> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de> > > > >>>>>> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de> > > > >>>>>> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com> > > > >>>>>> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com> > > > >>>>>> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com> > > > >>>>>> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org> > > > >>>>>> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org> > > > >>>>>> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org> > > > >>>>>> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me> > > > >>>>>> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg > > > >>>>>> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache > > DeltaSpike, > > > to > > > >>>>>> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the > > > >>>>>> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until > > > >>>>>> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, > > > >>>>>> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and > hereby > > is > > > >>>>>> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to > > > >>>>>> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the > > > >>>>>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby > > > >>>>>> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the > Apache > > > >>>>>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > > > >>>>>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache > > Incubator > > > >>>>>> >>Project are hereafter discharged. > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Jason Porter > http://en.gravatar.com/lightguardjp >
