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> debian-user-digest Digest                               Volume 2020 :
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> Today's Topics:
>   Re: buster: low audio level           [ "D. R. Evans" <
> doc.ev...@gmail.com> ]
>   Running virtual systems               [ Dennis Wicks <w...@mgssub.com> ]
>   Re: buster: low audio level           [ Doug McGarrett
> <dmcgarrett@optonlin ]
>   Re: buster: low audio level           [ Jonas Smedegaard <jo...@jones.dk>
> ]
>   Re: The nightmare of Intel Integrate  [ "Miguel A. Vallejo"
> <ea4eoz@gmail.c ]
>   Re: Running virtual systems           [ Celejar <cele...@gmail.com> ]
>   Re: Best file system to use?          [ David Christensen
> <dpchrist@holgerd ]
>   Re: Running virtual systems           [ David Christensen
> <dpchrist@holgerd ]
>   Re: Running virtual systems           [ "Martin McCormick"
> <martin.m@sudden ]
>   Re: buster: low audio level           [ Ben Caradoc-Davies
> <ben@transient.n ]
>   Re: Best file system to use?          [ Ben Caradoc-Davies
> <ben@transient.n ]
>   Re: Re: The nightmare of Intel Integ  [ T <vli...@indy.rr.com> ]
>   Re: buster: low audio level           [ Brad Rogers <b...@fineby.me.uk>
> ]
>   Re: Looking for FOSS supported PCIe   [ Andrei POPESCU
> <andreimpopescu@gmai ]
>   Re: Having trouble installing Debian  [ Andrei POPESCU
> <andreimpopescu@gmai ]
>   Re: The nightmare of Intel Integrate  [ Ben Caradoc-Davies
> <ben@transient.n ]
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:58:42 -0700
> From: "D. R. Evans" <doc.ev...@gmail.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: buster: low audio level
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> D. R. Evans wrote on 2/12/20 12:28 PM:
> > Doug McGarrett wrote on 2/12/20 12:19 PM:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/12/20 1:05 PM, D. R. Evans wrote:
> >>> Jonas Smedegaard wrote on 2/12/20 10:43 AM:
> >>>> Quoting D. R. Evans (2020-02-12 18:34:27)
> >>>>> I just installed buster on a new (to me) machine, and the audio lev=
> el
> >>>>> is very low. With all the mixer controls and the physical volume
> >>>>> control on the speakers turned up, I can hear audio, but even then =
> it
> >>>>> is unpleasantly quiet, certainly nothing one would want to listen t=
> o.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any suggestions as to how to fix this, or even how to go about
> >>>>> investigating it sensibly, would be gratefully received.
> >>>>
> >=20
> >>>
> >> You say this is a new machine, so it surely came with Windows. If you =
>
> >=20
> > No, I said it was new to me. It worked fine under Windows -- basically =
> a
> > gaming machine -- but now it has brand new disks with a clean install o=
> f buster.
>
> i have been corrected by the person from whom I bought it: it was previso=
> uly
> used as a server, not a gaming machine, and hence the sound was never use=
> d.
>
> For what it's worth, "aplay -l" says, for the port I'm using:
>
> card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC888-VD Analog [ALC888-VD Analog=
> ]
>   Subdevices: 0/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
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>   Doc
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> --=20
> Web:  http://enginehousebooks.com/drevans
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> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 18:07:17 -0600
> From: Dennis Wicks <w...@mgssub.com>
> To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Running virtual systems
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> Greetings;
>
> The last time that I ran any virtual systems virtualbox and
> other software was the only way to go. Now I see that there
> is support in hardware for running virtual systems directly.
> I am running Buster on AMD Ryzen. What is the best way to
> run virtual systems, and where can I find some good doc? The
> first thing I need to run is Windows 10 so I can get my
> taxes done! Then maybe a couple of small Debian and Windows
> systems for testing and development of WP thems and websites
> and similar.
>
> Many TIA!
> Dennis
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:15:57 -0500
> From: Doug McGarrett <dmcgarr...@optonline.net>
> To: Jonas Smedegaard <jo...@jones.dk>, "D. R. Evans" <doc.ev...@gmail.com
> >,
>  debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: buster: low audio level
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> On 2/12/20 6:39 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting D. R. Evans (2020-02-12 23:54:16)
> >> Jonas Smedegaard wrote on 2/12/20 3:19 PM:
> >>
> /snip/
>
> > is more resource heave in my experience.  An area righ in bikeshedding.
> >
> What on earth is bikeshedding? That's a new one on me!
>
> /snip/
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> >   - Jonas
> >
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 01:48:16 +0100
> From: Jonas Smedegaard <jo...@jones.dk>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: buster: low audio level
> Message-ID: <158155489642.8922.13644572309646345...@auryn.jones.dk>
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> Quoting Doug McGarrett (2020-02-13 01:15:57)
> >=20
> >=20
> > On 2/12/20 6:39 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > Quoting D. R. Evans (2020-02-12 23:54:16)
> > >> Jonas Smedegaard wrote on 2/12/20 3:19 PM:
> > >>
> > /snip/
> >=20
> > > is more resource heave in my experience.  An area righ in bikeshedding.
> > >=20
> > What on earth is bikeshedding? That's a new one on me!
>
> That's when you ask something in a large community that is easy to have=20
> an opinion on and with many possible opinions - e.g. asking "which color=20
> should we paint our bikeshed?" or "what disk format is best" or "which=20
> computer should I buy?"
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
>
>
>  - Jonas
>
> --=20
>  * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt
>  * Tlf.: +45 40843136  Website: http://dr.jones.dk/
>
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> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 01:51:42 +0100
> From: "Miguel A. Vallejo" <ea4...@gmail.com>
> To: Geoff Reidy <geoff.re...@gmail.com>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: The nightmare of Intel Integrated GPUs under Linux in general
> and
>  Debian in particular
> Message-ID: <
> canlb0okhwrijnea771k5whaxmtqihsqyrw7omikgr+e7wb-...@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Geoff Reidy wrote:
>
> > I've never had an Intel GPU but always had the impression they
> > were pretty solid, but my opinion is changing.
>
> As a user of Intel GPUs for the last 5 years I can tell you Intel GPUs
> and Linux are just a nightmare. A truly pain in the ass.
>
> > Note that kernel 5.5 may still have issues
>
> Yeah, I read it. I have been playing with the xserver-xorg-video-intel
> in Buster with kernel 4.19.0-8 and trying different options in
> xorg.conf I didn't get any hang since 10 hours ago, almost a new
> record for me. Also text console corruption has disappeared, so I will
> use this configuration to try to get pending work done, and then.... I
> will see. I still don't rule out buying a new graphics card.
>
> Thank you for all your comments and suggestions. They are really helping
> me.
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 20:05:34 -0500
> From: Celejar <cele...@gmail.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Running virtual systems
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> On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 18:07:17 -0600
> Dennis Wicks <w...@mgssub.com> wrote:
>
> > Greetings;
> >
> > The last time that I ran any virtual systems virtualbox and
> > other software was the only way to go. Now I see that there
> > is support in hardware for running virtual systems directly.
> > I am running Buster on AMD Ryzen. What is the best way to
> > run virtual systems, and where can I find some good doc? The
> > first thing I need to run is Windows 10 so I can get my
> > taxes done! Then maybe a couple of small Debian and Windows
> > systems for testing and development of WP thems and websites
> > and similar.
>
> I do my taxes with TurboTax in a Windows VM. I use qemu / kvm, managed
> by libvirt, using the virt-manager GUI (and for other VMs as well).
> Unfortunately, I don't know any simple guide to get started - everyone
> talks about how easy it is, but there are numerous gotchas that will
> frustrate you until you get used to them - but it does work
> beautifully once you get the hang of it. Feel free to ask questions!
>
> Celejar
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 17:24:44 -0800
> From: David Christensen <dpchr...@holgerdanske.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Best file system to use?
> Message-ID: <a01be141-c7d7-1327-59bc-1ec7dae11...@holgerdanske.com>
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> On 2020-02-12 15:55, Dennis Wicks wrote:
> > I have 4TB running on an AMD Ryzen under Buster. What is the current
> > consensus of the best file system to use for general data usage? I have
> > been using xfs but that is based on info from many years ago.
>
> I was using btrfs for system drives (boot, swap, root), but ran into
> problems because I was not balancing them.  Now I use ext4 for system
> drives.  I use FreeBSD, ZFS, and RAID for data drives.
>
>
> David
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 18:22:24 -0800
> From: David Christensen <dpchr...@holgerdanske.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Running virtual systems
> Message-ID: <0f6cf00c-00ba-fbb8-c7a8-e14ae84fd...@holgerdanske.com>
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> On 2020-02-12 16:07, Dennis Wicks wrote:
> > The last time that I ran any virtual systems virtualbox and other
> > software was the only way to go. Now I see that there is support in
> > hardware for running virtual systems directly. I am running Buster on
> > AMD Ryzen. What is the best way to run virtual systems, and where can I
> > find some good doc? The first thing I need to run is Windows 10 so I can
> > get my taxes done! Then maybe a couple of small Debian and Windows
> > systems for testing and development of WP thems and websites and similar.
>
>
> I typically enable all CPU virtualization features in CMOS Setup, and
> assume the various virtualization solutions will make use of them.
>
>
> I use FreeBSD and jails for 24x7 services (CVS and Samba).
>
>
> I have used VirtualBox on Debian Xfce and macOS hosts over the past
> several years.  The GUI manager is convenient for a few VM's, but would
> be a problem for many VM's.  I recall setting up headless VM's for
> services, but for get the details.  I ran a Debian Xfce graphical
> desktop VM in VirtualBox on macOS for nearly a year, but key mapping/
> binding was a constant nuisance and graphics was adversely impacted
> (especially multimedia).  Graphical desktop environments, such as Xfce
> and Windows, are best installed directly on hardware.  Be sure to pick
> hardware for which Windows 10 is actively supported by the manufacturer.
>
>
> David
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 21:01:57 -0600
> From: "Martin McCormick" <marti...@suddenlink.net>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Running virtual systems
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>
>         I ran Freebsd as a virtual system on a Mac Pro at work
> for a year or so (I don't remember exactly how long) and it
> worked very well with vbox until one day when Apple updated MacOS
> and poof! my vm died.
>
>         The only problem I had before that was one most people
> wouldn't have in that the low-level setup of the VM sent it's
> output in video rather than text so anyone who uses a screen
> reader can't rescue it easily if it gets in to trouble at that
> point.
>
>         As soon as the VM boots, the output you would see on a
> console or serial terminal appears in the host's output and one
> can run it normally from there.
>
>         The one lesson is Linux or FreeBSD is probably a better
> host platform because stuff that works under either of those two
> OS's tends to stay longer and isn't apt to fall casualty to
> commercial whims.
>
>         I still mostly like MacOS and even Windows these days but
> having the machine my mail was on just suddenly vaporize without
> any warning soured me a bit and I never put another VM on that
> Mac.
>
> Martin
>
> David Christensen <dpchr...@holgerdanske.com> writes:
> > I typically enable all CPU virtualization features in CMOS Setup, and
> > assume the various virtualization solutions will make use of them.
> >
> >
> >
> > I use FreeBSD and jails for 24x7 services (CVS and Samba).
> >
> >
> >
> > I have used VirtualBox on Debian Xfce and macOS hosts over the past
> > several
> > years. The GUI manager is convenient for a few VM's, but would be a
> > problem
> > for many VM's. I recall setting up headless VM's for services, but for
> get
> > the details. I ran a Debian Xfce graphical desktop VM in VirtualBox on
> > macOS for nearly a year, but key mapping/ binding was a constant nuisance
> > and graphics was adversely impacted (especially multimedia). Graphical
> > desktop environments, such as Xfce and Windows, are best installed
> > directly
> > on hardware. Be sure to pick hardware for which Windows 10 is actively
> > supported by the manufacturer.
> >
> >
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 14:45:53 +1300
> From: Ben Caradoc-Davies <b...@transient.nz>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: buster: low audio level
> Message-ID: <71c74a36-73d3-dd71-b0a4-9c7504e6f...@transient.nz>
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> On 13/02/2020 13:48, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Doug McGarrett (2020-02-13 01:15:57)
> >> What on earth is bikeshedding? That's a new one on me!
> > That's when you ask something in a large community that is easy to have
> > an opinion on and with many possible opinions - e.g. asking "which color
> > should we paint our bikeshed?" or "what disk format is best" or "which
> > computer should I buy?"
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
>
> The choice of easy problems with many possible solutions is the observed
> behaviour, but the outcome is that "members of an organization give
> disproportionate weight to trivial issues".
>
> Kind regards,
>
> --
> Ben Caradoc-Davies <b...@transient.nz>
> Director
> Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
> New Zealand
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 15:00:30 +1300
> From: Ben Caradoc-Davies <b...@transient.nz>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Best file system to use?
> Message-ID: <4595d0f6-c27a-6ea5-2e47-f90bfec6d...@transient.nz>
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> On 13/02/2020 12:55, Dennis Wicks wrote:
> > I have 4TB running on an AMD Ryzen under Buster. What is the current
> > consensus of the best file system to use for general data usage? I have
> > been using xfs but that is based on info from many years ago.
> With apologies to Samuel L Jackson (as Beaumont in Jackie Brown): ext4.
> The very best there is. When you absolutely, positively got to have the
> most robust and widely deployed Linux filesystem, accept no substitute.
>
> In all seriousness, unless you have niche performance needs and
> quantitative evidence to support them, or require fat32 for
> interoperability (and are willing to sacrifice Unix permissions and file
> size), do not overlook the robustness and ubiquity of ext4.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> --
> Ben Caradoc-Davies <b...@transient.nz>
> Director
> Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
> New Zealand
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 00:24:24 -0500
> From: T <vli...@indy.rr.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Re: The nightmare of Intel Integrated GPUs under Linux in
> general
>  and Debian in particular
> Message-ID: <43c68bbf-0f4b-d2ea-5af0-091032288...@indy.rr.com>
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> Have you monitored your CPU temperatures?
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 23:02:32 +0000
> From: Brad Rogers <b...@fineby.me.uk>
> To: Debian Users ML <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: buster: low audio level
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> On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:54:16 -0700
> "D. R. Evans" <doc.ev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello D.,
>
> >All the outputs are set to 100.
>
> Don't ignore inputs.  They can have volume settings, too.
>
> --=20
>  Regards  _
>          / )           "The blindingly obvious is
>         / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
> I ain't got no time for intellectual music, e.g. Hergest Ridge
> Heads Down No Nonsense Mindless Boogie - Alberto y Lost Trios Paranoias
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> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:01:38 +0200
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> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Looking for FOSS supported PCIe x4 SATA 6 Gb/s HBA with 4 or 8
>  ports
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> On Mi, 12 feb 20, 23:39:20, deloptes wrote:
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >=20
> > > Could you please elaborate or provide a reference for this?
> > >=20
> > > While my 3TB WD Red doesn't appear to have problems with my current
> > > usage, I'd like to be prepared.
> >=20
> > Google "western digital wd red 4tb issues" or "western digital wd red 3tb
> > issues"
>
> A quick DDG doesn't reveal anything particularly worrying about the 3TB=20
> drives. Mine has been running 1,5 year with no apparent issues.
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
> --=20
> http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:15:42 +0200
> From: Andrei POPESCU <andreimpope...@gmail.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Having trouble installing Debian on brand new hard drive
> Message-ID: <20200213081542.ymwxwemrdxzskmpr@cbuster.nuvreauspam>
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> On Mi, 12 feb 20, 09:08:26, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 03:01:52PM +0100, Klaus Singvogel wrote:
> > > kaye n wrote:
> > > > *For the future, you could paste the (relevant part from) the output
> =
> of
> > > > 'parted -l'.*
> > > > Just curious, never encountered that command before.
> > > > kaye@laptop:~$ parted -l
> > > > bash: parted: command not found
> > >=20
> > > You can install it then: "sudo apt-get install parted"
> > > But I prefer output of "lsblk"; but this is only a matter of taste.
> >=20
> > lsblk      is nice because it doesn't seem to require root.
> =20
> In particular 'lsblk -f', especially since output of 'mount' is=20
> cluttered with lots of other file systems that are not relevant when=20
> looking at storage.
>
> > fdisk -l   is another choice (requires root, though).
> >=20
> > fdisk was *the* go-to command a few decades back, but it was discouraged
> > for a while because it was slow to adopt GPT support.  Current versions
> > of fdisk support GPT disk partitioning, so it's back on the acceptable
> > list.
>
> The advantage of 'parted -l' vs. 'fdisk -l' (especially in this=20
> situation) is that it also shows if the partition has a file system and=20
> what type.
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
> --=20
> http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 21:19:41 +1300
> From: Ben Caradoc-Davies <b...@transient.nz>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: The nightmare of Intel Integrated GPUs under Linux in general
> and
>  Debian in particular
> Message-ID: <5ef53c24-9383-035b-16b8-eb7ee1896...@transient.nz>
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> On 13/02/2020 18:24, T wrote:
> > Have you monitored your CPU temperatures?
>
> mprime (AKA Prime95) is a well-known CPU stress tester.
>
> I would also test memory with multiple concurrent instances of
> memtester. All problems I suspected of being caused by CPU overheating
> were in fact caused by RAM (most recently, a tiny overclock that seemed
> safe and harmless but caused intermittent corruption). Integrated GPUs
> are totally reliant on system RAM.
>
> There is also gputest, but I have not used it.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> --
> Ben Caradoc-Davies <b...@transient.nz>
> Director
> Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
> New Zealand
>

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