On Saturday 03 August 2019 11:56:38 David Wright wrote: > On Sat 03 Aug 2019 at 11:38:27 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 03 August 2019 11:06:27 David Wright wrote: > > > On Sat 03 Aug 2019 at 10:32:02 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Saturday 03 August 2019 10:03:18 David Wright wrote: > > > > > On Fri 02 Aug 2019 at 22:41:00 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday 01 August 2019 16:58:46 Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > > > On Thursday 01 August 2019 10:20:57 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jo, 01 aug 19, 06:28:17, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > > > > > Debian-arm netinstall on a pi3b; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No root pw set, I am housebroken to using sudo now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > netinstall didn't install x anything although I > > > > > > > > > thought I was selecting xfce4, so my first action on > > > > > > > > > the reboot was to "sudo apt install xfce4". reboot, > > > > > > > > > works, have x and 4 workspaces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then "sudo apt install build-essential and buildbot, > > > > > > > > > cups". reboot, worked once, login normal. Then I > > > > > > > > > plugged in a 120GB ssd which had a bunch of src stuff > > > > > > > > > on it I'll need later and powered up again. Can't > > > > > > > > > login, passwd no good. Dbl check, caps lock off, try > > > > > > > > > again several times, passwd no good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe the SSD is drawing just enough additional current > > > > > > > > to mess with your keyboard. As already suggested, you > > > > > > > > could try removing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its a 5 amp switcher. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, since you're not worried about security you could > > > > > > > > try typing your password in the username field, to make > > > > > > > > sure the keyboard works as expected. Just don't press > > > > > > > > enter so the password is not logged ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've done that too, its displaying exactly what I typed. > > > > > > > > > > > > And I am being ignored. So here is a thought. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I didn't realise you were using a DM to login when I > > > > > wrote my first reply. As with the SSD, I would have you revert > > > > > from a DM to an ordinary VC login. But I know so little about > > > > > DEs that I don't know if that's possible. What does a DM buy > > > > > you? > > > > > > > > A nice gui with lots of workspaces. Menu's to run stuff. > > > > > > Isn't that provided by the DE. What specifically does the DM do > > > for you? > > > > > > I run X and a WM, but I don't use them to login. Just a VC. > > > > > > > > > Someone has recently mentioned a new method of encrypting > > > > > > passwds. Is it possible that something in xfce4 has changed > > > > > > to the new method, but the passwd in the passwd file was > > > > > > encrypted with the older method, and that an ssh login is > > > > > > still useing the old method, so I can login remotely only? > > > > > > So possibly it might be fixed by an apt update/upgrade? > > > > > > Unforch, there is nothing to upgrade: > > > > > > > > > > AIUI passwords are not encrypted, they're hashed. > > > > > > > > And apparently each hash is unique? I've checked 4 machines > > > > here, and the shadow files entry for me is different on all 4 > > > > machines. > > > > > > That's because there are 4096 different values of salt that could > > > have been chosen. > > > > > > > > > copy/paste from a konsole logged into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > gene@picnc:~$ sudo apt update > > > > > > [sudo] password for gene: > > > > > > Get:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security > > > > > > buster/updates InRelease [39.1 kB] > > > > > > Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease > > > > > > Get:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates InRelease > > > > > > [46.8 kB] Get:4 http://security.debian.org/debian-security > > > > > > buster/updates/main Sources [25.9 kB] > > > > > > Get:5 http://security.debian.org/debian-security > > > > > > buster/updates/main arm64 Packages [51.5 kB] > > > > > > Get:6 http://security.debian.org/debian-security > > > > > > buster/updates/main Translation-en [28.9 kB] > > > > > > Fetched 192 kB in 2s (81.9 kB/s) > > > > > > Reading package lists... Done > > > > > > Building dependency tree > > > > > > Reading state information... Done > > > > > > All packages are up to date. > > > > > > gene@picnc:~$ > > > > > > > > > > > > But is that the proper list of repo's to query? > > > > > > > > > > Posting your sources.list would be more typical. > > > > > > > > but much more difficult to copy and chown to get it in the > > > > rights for kmail-trinity to attach or include. I have to copy > > > > them to someplace neutral, chown the perms, as my sshnet runs as > > > > me, specifically denies root, so once I can copy it across the > > > > cat5 to someplace in /home/gene on this machine, then I can > > > > attach or include it. > > > > > > I don't understand any of that. > > > > > > $ ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 981 Jan 20 2018 /etc/apt/sources.list > > > $ > > > > > > But in any case, you can cat it and then copy/paste it, > > > as you just did, above, for apt update. > > > > > > > > > Or maybe its ssh thats using the new way, and xfce4 has not > > > > > > caught up. I haven't a clue whats changed, but it did work > > > > > > several times, then stopped. Completely changing my passwd > > > > > > from this ssh login worked, I backed out and tried it, > > > > > > worked as expected from ssh, but is still rejected from its > > > > > > own keyboard, so I changed it back. ?? What library does > > > > > > that? Is there a version jump that arm did, but got miss > > > > > > installed? > > > > > > > > > > ssh has -v (up to 3 times) for monitoring its behaviour. > > > > > > > > > > But are you're sure you're not thinking of something like > > > > > LUKS1/LUKS2 rather than any change in passwd hashing (which > > > > > might be why you wrote "encrypting"). > > > > > > > > Never touched LUKS, any version. > > > > > > In which case, can you quote your reference for where said person > > > mentioned it. > > > > > > Whether you've *used* LUKS is irrelevant. You might still have > > > *heard something* about it, and thought it was about passwd > > > passwords. I can recall things being written about VM here, but > > > was it Virtual Box, vbox, qemu, kvm, virt-manager—not having used > > > any VM, my memory doesn't distinguish between them. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > David. > > > > LUKS shouldn't matter David, I've never used it in 20 years. However > > I just installed locate, updatedb, the locate luks spit out this: > > oot@picnc:~# locate luks > > /boot/efi/boot/grub/arm64-efi/luks.mod > > /boot/grub/arm64-efi/luks.mod > > /usr/lib/grub/arm64-efi/luks.mod > > > > Could one of those be screwing with me? > > No. I'm trying to eliminate LUKS from the conversation. What would be > more useful is to discover what you were talking about when you wrote > "Someone has recently mentioned a new method of encrypting passwds." > Or am I to spike it, along with > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg00208.html > and suchlike. > Whats procmail to do with this? I was commenting there because I AM using procmail for my fetchmails MTA. Have been since about 2002 since kmail freezes during a new mail scan. So I took that job away from it by letting fetchmail get the mail, procmail to filter, and inotifywait to tell kmail over the dbus, to go get the mail from /var/mail. It can do that in a small fraction of a second per incoming msg.
> Cheers, > David. Cheers David, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
