On Saturday 03 August 2019 11:06:27 David Wright wrote: > On Sat 03 Aug 2019 at 10:32:02 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 03 August 2019 10:03:18 David Wright wrote: > > > On Fri 02 Aug 2019 at 22:41:00 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Thursday 01 August 2019 16:58:46 Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > On Thursday 01 August 2019 10:20:57 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > On Jo, 01 aug 19, 06:28:17, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > > > Debian-arm netinstall on a pi3b; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No root pw set, I am housebroken to using sudo now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > netinstall didn't install x anything although I thought I > > > > > > > was selecting xfce4, so my first action on the reboot was > > > > > > > to "sudo apt install xfce4". reboot, works, have x and 4 > > > > > > > workspaces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then "sudo apt install build-essential and buildbot, > > > > > > > cups". reboot, worked once, login normal. Then I plugged > > > > > > > in a 120GB ssd which had a bunch of src stuff on it I'll > > > > > > > need later and powered up again. Can't login, passwd no > > > > > > > good. Dbl check, caps lock off, try again several times, > > > > > > > passwd no good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe the SSD is drawing just enough additional current to > > > > > > mess with your keyboard. As already suggested, you could try > > > > > > removing it. > > > > > > > > > > Its a 5 amp switcher. > > > > > > > > > > > Also, since you're not worried about security you could try > > > > > > typing your password in the username field, to make sure the > > > > > > keyboard works as expected. Just don't press enter so the > > > > > > password is not logged ;) > > > > > > > > > > I've done that too, its displaying exactly what I typed. > > > > > > > > And I am being ignored. So here is a thought. > > > > > > Well, I didn't realise you were using a DM to login when I wrote > > > my first reply. As with the SSD, I would have you revert from a DM > > > to an ordinary VC login. But I know so little about DEs that I > > > don't know if that's possible. What does a DM buy you? > > > > A nice gui with lots of workspaces. Menu's to run stuff. > > Isn't that provided by the DE. What specifically does the DM do for > you? > > I run X and a WM, but I don't use them to login. Just a VC. > > > > > Someone has recently mentioned a new method of encrypting > > > > passwds. Is it possible that something in xfce4 has changed to > > > > the new method, but the passwd in the passwd file was encrypted > > > > with the older method, and that an ssh login is still useing the > > > > old method, so I can login remotely only? So possibly it might > > > > be fixed by an apt update/upgrade? Unforch, there is nothing to > > > > upgrade: > > > > > > AIUI passwords are not encrypted, they're hashed. > > > > And apparently each hash is unique? I've checked 4 machines here, > > and the shadow files entry for me is different on all 4 machines. > > That's because there are 4096 different values of salt that could have > been chosen. > > > > > copy/paste from a konsole logged into it. > > > > > > > > gene@picnc:~$ sudo apt update > > > > [sudo] password for gene: > > > > Get:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates > > > > InRelease [39.1 kB] > > > > Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease > > > > Get:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates InRelease > > > > [46.8 kB] Get:4 http://security.debian.org/debian-security > > > > buster/updates/main Sources [25.9 kB] > > > > Get:5 http://security.debian.org/debian-security > > > > buster/updates/main arm64 Packages [51.5 kB] > > > > Get:6 http://security.debian.org/debian-security > > > > buster/updates/main Translation-en [28.9 kB] > > > > Fetched 192 kB in 2s (81.9 kB/s) > > > > Reading package lists... Done > > > > Building dependency tree > > > > Reading state information... Done > > > > All packages are up to date. > > > > gene@picnc:~$ > > > > > > > > But is that the proper list of repo's to query? > > > > > > Posting your sources.list would be more typical. > > > > but much more difficult to copy and chown to get it in the rights > > for kmail-trinity to attach or include. I have to copy them to > > someplace neutral, chown the perms, as my sshnet runs as me, > > specifically denies root, so once I can copy it across the cat5 to > > someplace in /home/gene on this machine, then I can attach or > > include it. > > I don't understand any of that. > > $ ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 981 Jan 20 2018 /etc/apt/sources.list > $ > > But in any case, you can cat it and then copy/paste it, > as you just did, above, for apt update. > > > > > Or maybe its ssh thats using the new way, and xfce4 has not > > > > caught up. I haven't a clue whats changed, but it did work > > > > several times, then stopped. Completely changing my passwd from > > > > this ssh login worked, I backed out and tried it, worked as > > > > expected from ssh, but is still rejected from its own keyboard, > > > > so I changed it back. ?? What library does that? Is there a > > > > version jump that arm did, but got miss installed? > > > > > > ssh has -v (up to 3 times) for monitoring its behaviour. > > > > > > But are you're sure you're not thinking of something like > > > LUKS1/LUKS2 rather than any change in passwd hashing (which might > > > be why you wrote "encrypting"). > > > > Never touched LUKS, any version. > > In which case, can you quote your reference for where said person > mentioned it. > > Whether you've *used* LUKS is irrelevant. You might still have > *heard something* about it, and thought it was about passwd passwords. > I can recall things being written about VM here, but was it Virtual > Box, vbox, qemu, kvm, virt-manager—not having used any VM, my memory > doesn't distinguish between them. > > Cheers, > David.
LUKS shouldn't matter David, I've never used it in 20 years. However I just installed locate, updatedb, the locate luks spit out this: oot@picnc:~# locate luks /boot/efi/boot/grub/arm64-efi/luks.mod /boot/grub/arm64-efi/luks.mod /usr/lib/grub/arm64-efi/luks.mod Could one of those be screwing with me? Cheers David, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
