On Sat 27 Jun 2015 at 09:45:02 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Saturday 27 June 2015 08:58:44 Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 27 Jun 2015 at 02:54:26 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Friday 26 June 2015 13:34:00 Brian wrote:
> > > > [Beware! Rampant snipping in progress]
> > > >
> > > > On Fri 26 Jun 2015 at 09:38:53 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > > How do you live stream BBC iPlayer on a computer without the use of
> > > > > Flash?
> > > >
> > > > A well formulated question. :)
> > > >
> > > > Think in these terms:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Using iplayer with flash involves downloading a file.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Wouldn't it be nice if the file could be downloaded, preferably
> > > > using a program which is in a package in the Debian archives?
> > > >
> > > > 3. Such a package has been mentioned in this thread. It is extensively
> > > >    documented at the program's home page and in its manual.
> > > >
> > > > 4. The file being downloaded is a .flv. While it is being downloaded it
> > > >    is being stored on disk so it can be accessed and viewed. vlc is one
> > > >    player which can view .flv files.
> > >
> > > That's not live streaming.  So it isn't how to "live stream BBC iPlayer
> > > on a computer without the use of Flash".  It is of course, a way of
> > > playing BBC iPlayer.  But I am quite happy to use Flash.  I'd rather use
> > > Open Source, but I also want both to live stream and to keep my nose.
> >
> > Eh? You'd have to explain. The stream is being displayed by vlc while it
> > is being downloaded. It doesn't get more "live" than that.
> 
> Then you have gone beyond my present technical knowledge so I'll have a good  
> look at it after I have cracked 4OD.  I thought that one had to download 
> first.

You appear to be thinking in terms of "downloading" being the completed,
stored product (I downloaded a .deb file) rather than a process.

> It ws you who had failed to explain. Hints and then let the child solve the 
> problem for himself are certainly the best way to teach.  But only if the 
> child knows what to try and do.

The principle was brilliantly explained. How you apply it is up to you.

To illustrate it I would do:

1. Open a terminal and issue the command

   wget 
http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2014/mini-debconf-barcelona/The_Earth_is_not_flat_and_other_heresies_by_Allison_Randal.webm

2. In a second terminal

   vlc ~/The_Earth_is_not_flat_and_other_heresies_by_Allison_Randal.webm

> So OK, you win!  But the other people I know who use get-iplayer regularly 
> have been having problems recently which I understood were the BBC 
> deliberately moving the goal post to stop them.  Are you not or is that not 
> so?

I hadn't realised this was a game of winners and losers. But in fact you
win because you are now in possession of some knowledge you didn't have
before.

I have the same problems others have when things change. Usually I can
relocate the goalposts with a bit of effort.
 
> Ah!  I am very out of date!
> http://linuxcentre.net/getiplayer
> 
> But here is where I was at (I had in fact read this earlier):
> http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer-dropped-in-response-to-bbcs-lack-of-support-for-open-source
> 
> it sounds great and worth an effort.  So, thank you.  But I'll get 4OD going 
> one way or another first.

http://linuxcentre.net/ is no longer the development or distribution
centre for get_iplayer.

I'd suggest abandoning pipelight and going with the Linux version of
flash plus the hal packages would be a route to success.


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