Le 23/09/2014 18:58, Steve Litt a écrit : > On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:11:03 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU <andreimpope...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Lu, 22 sep 14, 21:17:28, Marty wrote: >>> 1) The goal is "modular Debian." Multi-init is the means to achieve >>> it. Being tied to one init system is what caused Debian’s problems, >>> and the replacement did not fix it. A modular system has to support >>> all init systems, including systemd, clones and custom inits. >> While you're at it how about also making sure we can have a dietlibc >> or uClibc version of Debian? After all, depending on glibc is also >> not very good. Oh, and don't forget about udev and X.Org. There is >> already work in progress trying to compile Debian with something >> other than GCC, so you don't need to worry about that. >> >> Yes this is a joke, but only in part. It's very interesting how >> suddenly people are so worried about Debian being tied to one piece >> of software, while this has been happening all along. > Let's discuss your analogies... > > === Depending on glibc === > True, it's a single point of failure, but it's made by GNU, whose > agenda is less harmful to Linux than the agenda of Redhat. > > === udev === > Udev is one of the components that provide hot plugging. Take it out > and root needs to manually mount stuff. OK, that's a pain in the butt, > but it's limited. Most of us remember the days when you really had to > do a mount, as root, to read a thumb drive. Hassle? Yes. Comparable to > the invasiveness of a PID 1 whose most intimate details are necessary > to run the most mundane user apps? No. > > === X.org === > First, no CLI program gives a flying flamingo about what GUI provider > is used: They don't access it. Systemd, on the other hand, has its > sticky little fingers in CLI and GUI alike. Second, by definition, a > GUI program must access GUI system software. There's no such definition > that CLI user identification must interact with part of PID 1's > package, nor that a GUI program know the intimate details of PID 1. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ > Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance > > Compare it to to a init system which is the main reason to choose a desktop environment...
See http://www.webupd8.org/2014/09/debian-switches-back-to-gnome-from-xfce.html So sytemd does in fact orient *everything*. You are not "integrated" into systemd, I am not sure debian will still be for you. That's the worse behaviuour of the worst commercial software vendor : wanting to lock usrers into what the vendor choose and denying them freedom to choose. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5421ae3a.5030...@rail.eu.org
