On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:12:51 -0700 Don Armstrong <d...@debian.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > Then please explain to us why, with all of the negative technical > > aspects surrounding systemd, it looks to be the default init in > > Jessie. > > You can start by reading why I voted for systemd: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708#3661 Yes. Your endorsement was less than ringing. Plus you started with the assumption that the choice was either Upstart or systemd, ignoring: * sysvinit * sysvinit for a little while until a truly good init system (perhaps openrc) becomes useable You specifically spoke against a choice of inits. If there *had* been a choice of inits, admittedly with all the work that entails, we wouldn't be having this discussion now. And you stated that you hadn't learned much about openrc. This was your only mention of the PID 1 currently powering Funtoo. > > You would also do well to read the statements by the other committee > members. Yes. Everyone on this list should read Don's URL **from the top on down**. Here's the URL to start at the top: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 It's a book length page, takes a long time to load, and can't be read in a day or even a week, but I've gotten 15% through, and it was enough to tell me that this systemd debacle is a symptom, not the disease. People who advocated anything but systemd or Upstart were pushed to the side. People who asked about the vendor lockin were ignored. There was more --- enough to change my entire outlook on Debian, and I thank Don for this information. There was little mention of the elephant in the room that any programmer I know would question: Why the hell is a GUI desktop project dictating the innards and interface of PID 1. But don't take my word for it, and don't believe my one paragraph filter of the information, read it yourself. Seriously, it's an eye opener. SteveT Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140921112301.166fc...@mydesq2.domain.cxm
