Thank you, Don. It needed saying, and you said it well! Cheers,
Terence On 21 September 2014 06:12, Don Armstrong <d...@debian.org> wrote: > On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > Then please explain to us why, with all of the negative technical > > aspects surrounding systemd, it looks to be the default init in > > Jessie. > > You can start by reading why I voted for systemd: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708#3661 > > You would also do well to read the statements by the other committee > members. > > On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Bob Proulx wrote: > > For one by closing bugs without fixing them. As users we are always > > admonished to file bugs. But whether those bugs will be acknowledge > > and handled appropriately depends upon the project. My experience is > > that if it is systemd that the bug will not be handled nicely. > > This is because of a combination of not enough volunteers to handle the > bugs, and the bludgeoning of people working on systemd in general as > evidenced on this very mailing list. Package maintainers are only human, > after all. > > > Eventually Ben Hutchings got involved, reopened the bug, and objected > > to the kernel maintainers choices being overridden. And therefore it > > was eventually fixed. But if he had not gotten involved I am sure it > > would not have been fixed since it had not been in spite of multiple > > reports. > > Yes, that bug could have been handled better. It was eventually resolved > thanks in no small part to the willingness of Ben Hutchings to bring > forward the precise technical issues with the overriding of the default > kernel sysrq mask by systemd. That's the sort of healthy communication > between a user of systemd (Ben) and the maintainers of systemd in > Debian that we all would do well to emulate. [Even though Ben is a > Debian Developer, he has no special powers regarding this particular bug > than anyone reading this has.] > > On Sun, 21 Sep 2014, lee wrote: > > Try to provide a Debian package and you'll see that it is so > > ridiculously difficult that it is virtually impossible. > > Anyone who is interested in providing Debian packages can contact myself > or debian-ment...@lists.debian.org; there lots of people are interested > in getting new packagers involved in Debian. > > See https://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint for details. > > > Try to help by providing translations, and you'll find it's impossible > > because there's nowhere and no one to offer such service. > > Debian's website, installer, and many parts of the software that Debian > provides are all translated. See > https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ for example. > > > What I don't understand is that criticism and other forms of speaking > > up cannot be considered as a form of contribution. > > Constructive criticism is often a useful contribution. Destructive > criticism, much less so. > > Disagree all you want, but don't malign others when you do so. (Or at > least, don't do it on Debian communication infrastructure.) > > -- > Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com > > G: If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do? > EB: Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and > scatter oneself over a wide area. > -- Somewhere in No Man's Land, BA4 > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > https://lists.debian.org/20140921051251.gg8...@teltox.donarmstrong.com > >
