On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Stan Hoeppner <s...@hardwarefreak.com> wrote: > On 9/23/2012 3:20 AM, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > >> While one could hope you're wanting this off the list because you've >> finally realized how much you've embarrassed yourself, I know that, >> sadly, that isn't true. > > The only thing in this thread that has embarrassed me is the hypocrisy > of those, including you Chris, claiming to be more mature, claiming the > moral high ground, while simultaneously acting like immature children on > a school playground, attempting to gang up on the perceived "bully" > because they themselves have been bullied. Every post in this thread > since my reply to the OP has been about this, not the actual content of > my post. > > Go back and re-read my original reply to the OP. Then explain to the > list what it was that I said which so compelled you to go to battle. > Explain *why* you felt so compelled, why you were unable to simply bite > your tongue and move to the next thread like most of the thousands of > subscribers have. > > The vitriol in this thread has everything to do with the personalities > of those attacking me, and very little to do with my reply to the OP. > Now let's see how many attacks I get for speaking truth once again.
Stan, I feel your question is sincere and I will answer it sincerely. Below is your original post, quoted in its entirety: === From Stan === This may be a bit harsh, but it's the glaring truth: your employer should fire you and hire someone qualified to do your job. The answer you seek is only one click deep from the Debian home page, under the "Support" heading on the right side of the page: http://www.debian.org/ports/ On this page we find: 64-bit PC, (amd64) First officially released with Debian 4.0. Port to the 64 bit AMD64 processors. The goal is to support both 32bit- and 64bit-userland on this architecture. This port supports AMD's 64-bit Opteron, Athlon and Sempron processors, and Intel's processors with EM64T support, including the Pentium D and various Xeon and Core2 series. Intel Itanium, IA-64 First officially released with Debian 3.0. This is a port to Intel's first 64-bit architecture. Note: this should not be confused with the latest Intel 64-bit extensions for Pentium 4 and Celeron processors, called EM64T; for these, see the AMD64 port. You are either: 1. Horribly lazy 2. Incompetent == Fin == This post is perfectly fine with 2 exceptions: "This may be a bit harsh, but it's the glaring truth: your employer should fire you and hire someone qualified to do your job." And "You are either: 1. Horribly lazy 2. Incompetent" You even appropriately expressed your frustration in another way in your post. "The answer you seek is only one click deep from the Debian home page, under the 'Support' heading on the right side of the page." There's nothing in the OP's post that indicates he doesn't know what kind of hardware he has (x86 vs. Itanium). He even identifies the processor in the original post as "Xeon." When it's pointed out to him that IA64 is for Itanium, he immediately indicates that no, he's using Xeon and not Itanium. The confusion stems from amd64 vs. ia64. It is not unreasonable to wonder which is correct, and you pointed him, correctly, to the answer. There is no need to insult him, to call for him to lose his job, to call him lazy, or to call him incompetent. There is no basis in the original post on which to rest any such judgement. It is not unreasonable for someone who works in this space (using this caliber of hardware) but is unfamiliar with Linux to not understand the reasons behind name of the amd64 port (I personally prefer the Red Hat convention of calling it x86_64). The only thing you can conclude from his question is that he didn't know the difference between amd64 and ia64. That's it. You can draw no other conclusions about his experience, knowledge, or intentions. Not only that, but the Ports information on the front Debian homepage just now took me a few minute to find and I had to hit ^F and type "ports" because it's not immediately obvious in that wall of text in a tiny typeface where I should be looking to find the page you quoted (the overall navigability of the Debian website leaves a lot to be desired already). If the OP doesn't know to look for the word "Ports" or "Architectures" on the front page then it's not outside the bounds of reason that he'd not find the answer, on his own, to the question he asked here. A question which boils down, basically to, "I'm running a Xeon (x86) system and I can't find the difference between the amd64 and ia64 versions of Debian when trying to figure out which to install on it. Can someone give me a hand here?" You made the unreasonable (in my opinion) assumption that the OP is an idiot. There is no factual ground in the OP's original (or any subsequent) post to conclude that he is, in fact, an idiot. If someone comes onto this list being a jerk in their original post then I have no issue with folks like you taking them to task. While I don't think this list should be a free for all full of flames, I don't feel it at all inappropriate to tell those to take a piss on everyone to piss off. (I love those for whom their post opens with "Debian sucks! The sound doesn't work! PulseAudio! Lennart! Lennart! Lennart! Debian sucks!" and then go on to ask "can someone help me get PulseAudio working?") What I take exception to are instances where someone asks an innocent and reasonable question (and for me the bar here is *very* low) and then someone comes along and hits them with both barrels. > Go back and re-read my original reply to the OP. Then explain to the > list what it was that I said which so compelled you to go to battle. > Explain *why* you felt so compelled, why you were unable to simply bite > your tongue and move to the next thread like most of the thousands of > subscribers have. To be honest, it wasn't even your post that motivated me to comment. I generally let one-offs like that slide. I just don't care enough. What incenses me, however, is that when you're called on it, you take neither of the most sensible courses of action: 1. apologize or 2. shut up. You took door number 3. vociferously defend your initial attack and complain that you're the victim. When I'm called out for such anti-social behavior (and I believe everyone's been guilty of it at one time or another), I generally take door number 2. Why? Because when I'm a jerk out of the blue to someone who doesn't deserve it, I have the good graces to be embarrassed about it when I'm called out and I prefer to lay low for awhile so my indiscretion can be forgotten. So, there it is. There was nothing in your original post that so compelled me to go to battle. I read it, thought "ouch, harsh," on behalf of the person to whom you were responding and then thought nothing more of it. However, when it became obvious that I wasn't alone in being offended by it, that others were speaking up and you were taking door number 3 (as above) then I felt I, too, should let those people, and you, know that they are not alone in being offended by the conduct you displayed. You are, Stan, obviously a man possessed of brilliance. I have been continually impressed by the detailed, insightful, and informative responses you have provided by way of unpaid volunteer support on this list. You (I believe) asked me sincerely what my thoughts were/are on this on-going discussion and why I felt compelled to "contribute" (air quotes intended) to it. I have answered sincerely, and I hope this reply to your question is taken in the spirit intended: that of open communication. -- Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOEVnYsHvzqitX1uF9V9Vm4aj=-xu4oygvek0yv0c+euy+j...@mail.gmail.com
