On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 07:28:15AM -0800, nate wrote:
> Nathan E Norman said:
> 
> > Sorry for yelling, but this whole "debian is hard to install" thing drives
> > me crazy.  Call me an elite bastard, but I still feel if debian is too
> > hard to install, you shouldn't be installing it.  Mandrake et al exist for
> > a reason.
> 
> well of course there are always exceptions. Having done probably
> a hundred or more debian installs over nearly the past 5 years I am
> fairly proficient(to put it lightly) at installing debian.
> 
> but still, at least in the realm of supported hardware debian isn't
> quite up there yet. I do try to build my systems with debian in mind,
> so the occasion is rare that I have a system that is more difficult
> to install debian on. the worst such examples were newer(at the time)
> IBM and toshiba notebooks. the debian CDs wouldn't even boot on them.
> The system wouldn't see them as bootable cds so wouldn't try. luckily
> the toshiba had a floppy drive(IBM did not) so I could install on
> the toshiba. However, SuSE 7.3(at the time) booted & installed fine
> for some reason. I think I was using potato CDs at the time not
> woody.
> 
> but once your over the first hurdle of getting the base system
> installed and booted the rest is cake for me.
> 
> though it would save some time if the installer could install directly
> onto a software raid array(raid on root).

Out of the box it can't, but you can do it if you're willing to be a
little crazy :-)  The midhgard link has some pointers.

I hear and understand what you are saying about "not all installs are
easy"; been there, done that.  However, I never said (or at least, I
never meant to say) that installing debian is "easy".  In fact, I do
not care if people think installing debian is hard.  What bothers me
are people who _think it's hard_ because they have no clue as to what's
in their box, and they whine and bitch about it and demand a new
better installer that not only works no matter what but has shiny
graphics and tetris and other nonsense.  IOW, people who refuse to
_learn_.  ESR is right on about these people.

-- 
Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
          -- Napoleon Bonaparte


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