Allow me to expand a little bit. I don't have the time to sift through every mail client listed on SourceForge/FreshMeat/etc. to find one I like. I've used Outlook for years, I like it, it works for me(tm). If you don't like it, don't use it. I promise you won't hurt my feelings.
You don't see me sending HTML messages to the list, getting viruses, etc. You use your MUA, I'll use mine, but don't attack me because I prefer a different one than you. That's too bad I'm not ready for UNIX yet. Especially since I've been using UNIX since '95. UNIX, as a server platform, is fine for me. As a desktop platform, it's still gonna be awhile. FWIW, Outlook isn't the only mail client I use. It all depends on where I'm at. If I'm sitting at home, it's Outlook, at work it's Lotus Notes (don't even get me started on Notes), and anywhere else I SSH in and either use Pine or mutt. Anyways, you use whatever you want and I'll continue to use Outlook. As long as I'm not sending you HTML email messages, you really shouldn't have anything to bitch about, no? j. -- Jeremy L. Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -----Original Message----- From: Joost Kooij [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 5:38 AM To: Jeremy Gaddis Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: new to debian have questions On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 02:01:30AM -0500, Jeremy Gaddis wrote: > I use Outlook because I find it to be better than > any piece of shit MUA that I can run on Linux. I > happen to find Linux rather lacking when it comes > to the desktop arena and when I actually have to > do work instead of playing, I need something that > works. Windows NT (and Outlook, when it comes to > e-mail) happen to fit that bill quite well. Maybe unix is just not the right thing for you (yet). No offense intended. On unix, if you say that your mua is a piece of shit, it means that you are saying that you are a piece of shit, because you haven't: - read the manual page, which explains why it should do as it does; - read the source code, which explains why it doesn't as it should; - figured out how to configure it to not act as apiece of shit, but instead make coffee, slice bread and do the washing up for you; - written a patch that makes it do your The Right Thing(tm) by default; - forked it to use the much cooler foo widget library instead; - created a dedicational website, that advocates all its limitations as clueful, innovative or "standard" features; - tried some of the 500 mailer apps available for linux, some of which already do all the above (on the internet, there's always three other nutcases exactly like you). > For my servers, yes, they're all running Debian. Seriously, consider learning how to use dselect, if these servers represent any economic value. > On the desktop, though, I need *real* applications > that allow me to actually accomplish things. I consider sed and awk applications that allow me to accomplish things. Other people say microsoft word is an application that allows them to accomplish things. Likely, they're trying to accomplish different things than I am. The only question is, what are all the people, who think that they need to fire up microsoft word if they want to send an email, trying to accomplish? It reminds me of the times when I could surprise people by showing that their computer could actually do something else than just run wordperfect 5.1 from autoexec.bat (I stopped trying to explain that part pretty quickly). My favorite example of stereotypically clueless "requirements" for "real applications" is where daft management types would argue to me that excel is such a great tool and how one can do everything using excel. So I would be nice to them and send them data in comma seperated values format, thinking that they would be able to import it, being excel wizards as they suggested they were. Though luck. It didn't have the right filename extension, so they couldn't doubleclick on it in outlook. So I help them to save it in the menu and then rename the file (bedazzled looks on their faces). Then I tell them "now just import it in excel". Even more blank staring. As I show them how it is done, I notice that their attention span lasts only half the way. Silently, I remind myself to stay away from these people better in the future. Oh, and then there is the time when I played a little with staroffice, to see how well it would handle compatibility issues (very well). So I sent some notably clueless people an "excel" file. Instead of being happy for it, that they could doubleclick instead of having to think, they actually came complaining, that "the data was no good, because it had the wrong font face". Nowadays, I just give a blank stare back and start mumbling about how great an application awk is and has been for the past twenty years. Then I try to start an argument on the relative merits of regular expressions versus file globs. They are long gone when I finish the first sentence. Serve with a smile. Do you want sourcecode with that? Cheers, Joost
