On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:26:55PM -0500, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Sat, Jan 27, 2001, staf wagemakers wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:15:59PM -0800, Mark Koopman wrote: > > > better yet, why use a log file analyzer at all? they can't truly measure > > > web > > > surfer behaviour > > > anyways, only web server behaviour. > > > > customers ask for it :) > > EXACTLY. People love that stuff. Plus the people are companies who > do the marketing and crap like that need to show the higher-ups that > they are doing something. Something like Webtrends gives them pretty > graphs and charts and numbers and makes everyone happy. I personally > think it's nifty seeing the browsers and OS's people are using.
I think this also possible with webalizer. Anyway it is important that customers _and_ sales persons know that it's impossible to measure the real amount of users with a normal access_log. I hate it when none technical people are taking technical decisions. If they want correct graphs, they will have to give each user a cookie and store this information in a database. But I dont like cookies and I like privacy. Graphs like webtrends or webalizer are useful to show IT-managers that a GNU/Linux or a Un*x server can serve more hits that a M$ Windows system :) > Then > again I often look at the X-Mailer or User-Agent headers to see what > MUA's people are using. And I have seen Webalizer, but people want > Webtrends. At my work they were using webtrends on central NT logserver for twenty websites. Since the system was too busy and unstable, the customer often had no nice graphs. So I was allowed to install webalizer on some Solaris webservers, some customers even like the webalizer stats more.... > Incidentally, yesterday I got a call at work from a sales person at > Webtrends asking how my trial is going with the product. I am sure > she regretted calling once she hung up. I really let her have it > about how proprietary it was towards on distribution of Linux. More people should do this, it's important that companies know that there is more that one gnu/Linux distribution and if they want to make profit they must support more than only RedHat. A real Debian user will only use Free software, but in a real world this isn't always possible :( ( Those stupid managers again ) -- Staf Wagemakers email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] homepage : http://staf.digibel.org
