I come from Windows background and am interested in learning unix/linux cause i 
am a
nerd. For learning things, I come from the "drink from the firehouse" school of
thought so I like Debian. its a little more hardcore, but still usable to me. I 
am
still trying other flavors, but So far I prefer debian over RH.



What I found with RedHat is that they don't cater to the techies, the geeks the
tweakers and the hackers... maybe in the past, but not so now.

In other words:

MS is a business. After all is said and done, they pay employees and sell 
product.

Linux is a community, people offer the fruits of their skills for many to enjoy 
and
very few get paid for their products.

Redhat just decided to follow MS's lead and become a for-profit business, they 
crossed
the line.

There is nothing really wrong with that decision. as with anything else, 
actions have
a consequence. they are no longer the community that debian still is, but they 
may be
able to make some money like MS does... it's their choice. we have choices too.


On the support angle: This Debian list could not support the tens of thousands 
of
support calls that roll into MS daily. its not meant to. it is meant for what it
evolved into.

On the security angle: MS is getting better than they have been. Remember that 
their
interest lies in pleasing their customers and making them want to buy more MS
products. If their customers don't realize the need for tight security and don't
demand it of MS, MS doesn't have reason to make security priority number 1. 
customers
clamor for features, MS gives it to them. As customers realize that features 
and ease
of use sometimes sacrafice security, they may change their minds and ask for 
security.
Melissa / Love bug certainly helped the cause.


My $.02

Mark


"John L . Fjellstad" wrote:

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> > I use Debian so I can take a higher moral ground over my friends.
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> Eh, you can't take the moral high ground for using GPL software. You can
> take the moral high ground for releasing software under the GPL (if you
> buy RMS argument).
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> For instance, you don't get pointa for avoiding getting killed. You do
> get points for avoiding killing. Big difference.
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