>>>>> "Stan" == Stan Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

    Stan>       What I would like to do is contimue to use my Netcom
    Stan> address, download my mail for local reading, and uplad
    Stan> outgoing mail such that it still show Netcom as the point of
    Stan> origin.

 Yes yes...  uh huh...

    Stan>       I have a couple of questions about this.

 So did I... ;-)  and still do.  I'm reading RFC's these days.

    Stan>       1. Is POP a good way to do this?

 Yes.

    Stan>       2. If so what should I use for a POP clien? Remeber I
    Stan> want the mail to be downlaoded on demand and placed in my
    Stan> ocalk mail spool area.

 Fetchmail works very well for me.  In my "~/.fetchmailrc" I have
this:

8<----------------------------------------------------------------->8 
poll mail.myprovider.com
protocol pop3
username myusername
password mypassword
mda "formail -s procmail"
8<----------------------------------------------------------------->8

... and I use `diald' to connect to the net.  When I send some mail,
the link is opened automaticly by the dialing daemon, and `sendmail'
sends it directly to its destination using SMTP.  Outgoing mail is
masqueraded by `sendmail'...(further down)

 There is a program for XEmacs/Emacs that works with the mailer in it
that will cache outgoing mail for you... it's meant for laptops and
dialups.  I don't use it, so I know little about it.  It's called
`feedmail.el'.  With that, you can hold onto outgoing mails until
you're ready to send them, I guess.

 I just let mine connect and do it when it wants to, since I've no
line use limit.

 When the net link first comes up, an `ip-up' script gets run, and in
it I have it do this:

(su - karlheg -c /usr/bin/fetchmail)&

... that wakes up an already-running `fetchmail -d 600', which I start
in my "~/.xsession" file, and causes it to retrieve my mail, which is
then sent through a `procmail' filter. (the 'mda' line does that.)

 The 'mda' could just as easily be `sendmail' or `deliver', but
`formail -c procmail' is sweeter, since that way I can easily presort
my mail, which makes it ready for reading with gnus. (nnfolder)

    Stan> 3. Can the downlaoding tool also be used to uplaod
    Stan> mail to my Betcom account?

 No.

 I am using `sendmail', which does not have to run as a daemon; it's
only used for its 'send mail' role.  The `sendmailconfig' script that
runs when you install it with `dpkg' will make a configuration file
for it that will work just fine for this type of setup.  You just have
to answer a few questions.  It might take two tries; no big deal.

 You will want to say Yes to the `masquerade' option, and tell it who
you will masquerade as.  That's what I do here; all mail leaving my
machine is masqueraded as having come from the machine I want return
mail to land on, my ISP's SMTP server.

 You'll have to delete the symlink in your "/etc/rcX.d" directory so
`sendmail' isn't started on boot, since you don't need it unless
you're always on the net and expect mail to land there.  You would
need to be in DNS for that to work right.

 Sendmail has a reputation for being hard to set up--- People are
afraid to try it--- but with the configurator script packaged with
Debian GNU/Linux, it's really no trouble at all.

    Stan>       I do know that netcom has a POP server, so what I
    Stan> think I need is a POP client, right? Can I then use this to
    Stan> upload mail to Netcom?

 Yes, you need a pop client.  Use `fetchmail' with the 'mda' option
set. To upload mail, you can just use `sendmail' (SMTP).  There's no
need to run a `sendmail' in daemon mode.

Karl M. Hegbloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.inetarena.com/~karlheg
Portland, OR  USA
Debian GNU 1.3  Linux 2.1.36 AMD K5 PR-133

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