(Dropping the CC'list to just d-devel) Just to set the discussion basis: we're talking about datasets of quotes that are *not* relevant to making Debian stable a technically excellent release. Also, a Release Team member has written the following¹: > With my Release Team hat on (…) Please drop the fortune-*-off binary > packages.
With these bases clear…
Le jeudi, 17 juillet 2025, 22.49:30 h CEST Salvo Tomaselli a écrit :
> 1. We close #1109165 #1109167 (and #1109166)
These are RC bugs targetting trixie, that the Release Team has said they want
fixed before trixie gets released.
- If you close them, they'll get re-opened.
- NMUs to strip the *-off binary packages in order to fix RC bugs in trixie
might happen².
- If these don't get fixed soon, the whole source packages will get removed
(automatically) from trixie.
> 3. DPL and/or Release teams are warmly invited to publicly reply to
> this email and say whether they accept this solution or not.
- Please stop involving the DPL; their role doesn't have anything to do with
this discussion³.
- If you want to get feedback from the Release Team, debian-release@l.d.o
is the better list: they might not be reading debian-devel.
> 4. Debian can either trust the maintainer's judgment on what crosses
> the line, or produce a detailed document.
There are more than just these two options. Debian can also agree that
datasets of quotes in *-off(ensive) binary packages are not worth having
packages or votes about. Seriously.
> The issues are very very very obviously not RC issues if they have
> been there for 22 years without anyone noticing.
Wrong: they are now, as per the Release Team decision. Sorry to repeat this,
but a delegate has made an explicit request, with their delegate hat on,
requesting the *-off packages to be removed from trixie / testing. You're of
course entitled to disagree (and be pissed about it), but unless you manage to
convince the Release Team otherwise, they are fully in the right to enforce
their (DPL-delegated-powers') decision.
> One must go out of their way to see things from the -off package. And popcon
> is really low.
Thank you for outlining why these packages don't matter enough to warrant
being shipped in a stable release (which is the only thing the Release Team is
asking).
Again, at the risk of repeating myself: despite the sweat and muscle you spent
on making the *-off packages better, the Release Team has said they want to
release trixie without them. As delegates tasked to release a new Debian
stable release, they have better things to do than care about datasets of
offensive quotes. This battle is one that noone wants to fight, and the
Release Team will prevail. You can either decide to have src:fortunes-* in
trixie without the *-off binary packages, or not have src:fortunes-* in trixie
at all; your call.
--
OdyX
¹ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1109166#15
² This is not a threat; I'm just underlining that the developers-reference and
the freeze policy allow NMUs to fix RC bugs.
³ They won't update delegations over this.
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