On 04/06/25 6:27 pm, Ahmad Khalifa wrote:
> On 04/06/2025 13:28, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quoting Ahmad Khalifa (2025-06-04 13:56:49)
>>> On 04/06/2025 12:39, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 12:24:15PM +0100, Ahmad Khalifa wrote:
>>>>> Separately, may I also suggest some kind of timeout on the RFH bugs?
>>>>> (oldest is about to turn 20 yo)
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>> If the team no longer wants help, they should just close it.
>>>> If the package was orphaned since then, ideally it should be closed, sure.
>>>
>>> Because they're misleading and waste contributor time.
>>>
>>> Have you spent time going through a lot of the 50 RFH bugs?
>>> They're full of spam and people being ignored.
>>
>> I do, occationally, look through WNPP bugreports.
>>
>> If you consider 1 hour old bugreports stale, then you are free to ignore
>> older ones - noone told you to "waste" time on them.
>>
>> Please, when talking in absolutes (like they're misleading") then please
>> provide some more information on how you come to that conclusive
>> judgement on behalf of all thousands of Debian contributors.
>>
>> Alternatively (because that might indeed be a waste of time), please
>> consider framing personal opinions as such, not as absolutes. Reason
>> I encourage you to do that is that I want to discuss with you, and I
>> find it easier to discuss when the conversation is easy to separate
>> opinion from fact.
>
> Everything I say is my opinion. I have no formal role here.
> The top message is only a polite suggestion.
>
> Consider this random new contributor's experience:
>
> 1. Go to https://www.debian.org/, click on "Get Involved, Contribute"
> 2. Read https://www.debian.org/devel/join/, points you to "WNPP"
> 3. Go to https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, browse the page
> - At that point, you might not know what is adoption and orphans.
> - Easiest thing to dip your toes in: "packages in need of help".
> 4. Go to the RFH page, https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/help_requested
> 5. Browse interesting bugs:
> - Read the spam messages, maybe click on "this bug has spam"
> (which I feel is a placebo)
> - Look at other comments and interactions, no closed loop, no
> conclusions
> - Realize the bug is several years old
> - Decide that it's beyond a newcomer's ability and move on
>
> Of course, this is my opinion, but it's debian's primary journey from
> the homepage.
>
