Soren Stoutner <so...@debian.org> writes: > On Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:23:56 PM MST Philip Hands wrote: >> Soren Stoutner <so...@debian.org> writes: >> > At this point in the discussion I would like to progress toward a decision. >> > >> > One way to do so would be a GR. On one hand, using a GR to modify one line >> > of the code of conduct for the mailing list seems like a rather large >> > hammer >> > for a rather small problem. But on the other hand, many people feel >> > strongly >> > enough about this that a GR might be the only mechanism where people will >> > feel like the outcome is fair. >> > >> > My question is, is there any other decision making process that would be >> > preferable to a GR to decide this issue? >> >> You seem to be under the impression that there's an emerging consensus >> in favour of your idea. > > Yes, I feel like there are a majority of Debian Developers who are in favor > of making the > change that I propose, partially based on the number of people who have > commented > only once in the conversation with a short message in favor of the change.
OK, so that provoked me to check if it's my input filter that's
defective, or yours.
Having skimmed through the 106 mails I currently see in this thread,
this is the way I'd summarise people's preferences (if anyone sees that
I've mis-characterised their view, I promise it was not intentional, so
please forgive me and correct my mistake)
* Supporting the proposal
Soren Stoutner
Andrej Shadura
Blair Noctis (as well as supporting format=flowed,
or perhaps just anti-thunderbird)
Tino Didriksen (or perhaps format=flowed)
Otto Kekäläinen (or perhaps supporting Charles Plessy)
* Against the proposal
Jeremy Stanley
Marco d'Itri
Bastian Blank
Jeremy Sowden
The Wanderer
Giuseppe Sacco
gregor herrmann (while suporting format=flowed)
Andreas Metzler
* Advocating Format=flowed
Andrea Pappacoda
Jonathan Dowland
Timo Röhling
Aurélien COUDERC
Colin Watson
Aaron Rainbolt
Jeremy Stanley
Wookey
Philipp Kern
Roger Lynn (somewhat)
Jonas Smedegaard
Philip Hands
Julien Plissonneau Duquène
* Unclear
Marvin Renich
Vincent Lefevre (seems against though)
Thomas Goirand
Jonathan McDowell
Marc Haber (but perhaps against everything ;-) )
Stephan Verbücheln
Holger Levsen (with strong hints of against)
Aaron Schrab
Bjørn Mork
Charles Plessy (suggesting complaints should be off-list)
Mario Limonciello (hints of format=flowed support)
Leandro Cunha
Thorsten Glaser (seems against though)
IOhannes m zmölnig (perhaps a supporter)
Stephan Verbücheln (against? at least against mixed HTML)
Henrik Ahlgren
Russ Allbery
James Lu
Andrey Rakhmatullin
I would sumarise that as follows:
In favour: 5 (including yourself)
+2 (possibly)
Against: 8
+5 (possibly)
for Format=Flowed: 13
Of the 13 F=F folk, several also lean against the proposal to some extent.
I may be over-counting your supporters (given the notes by them).
Perhaps I'm neglecting to count some of the pro-F=F folk as also being
in support of you, because I mis-read their mails or some such.
Regardless, it seems clear that you are suffering from confirmation bias.
It would be nice if you could take that into account to some extent.
Cheers, Phil.
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